Black Rob needs help.

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You've got a point.

To be frank - the majors don't really want to sign the business saavy. It could threaten them.

I talk like Black Rob could have known about BDP's bad contracts etc.

but there's alot of hip hop artists who haven't studied Hip Hop history.

I still feel Black Rob was lucky.

The Like Woah video and track is classic to this day.

It was a club banger done right!

I wish him the best. I liked him when he came out.

Black Rob was blessed. Homie said he got a $450,000 advance and during his hayday he could pull $20K a show.
People just assuming he somehow got screwed by Puff (because that is the popular thing to believe).
 

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Usually royalties are broken down into two parts: (1) Writers share and (2) Publishing Share. It's not unusually for a record label to own 100% of an artists publishing rights.
But of course, we don't know any of this because we don't have Black Robs contract.

Puff got his own publishing house that he eats off along with the parent publisher...

But these small labels dont have the manpower to run things effectively and they use that to their advantage...

Cash money is a prime example...

They always settle or hit the :whoa: when they get an audit threat...

The less hands in the pot,the better
 

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Black Rob was blessed. Homie said he got a $450,000 advance and during his hayday he could pull $20K a show.
People just assuming he somehow got screwed by Puff (because that is the popular thing to believe).

$20,000 US profit a show is a rapper's dream.

If done right, and he put on great shows Im certain he could have sustained that success.
 

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How folks still give this guy props baffles me
you mean like how you continue to dikk suck eminem on this website despite the racist tapes?

yeah

I guess we all have things we care more about

Puffy didn't invent any contracts or have worse ones than anyone else. standard music business practise but because c00ns and cacs LIKE YOU can't name any other WHITE record execs you have smoke for the "devil" you know.

Dude said he went to sign a contract without a lawyer as a grown ass man and it's now Puffy's fault. lol. He was given a STANDARD contract.
 

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Signing slave deals with Puff like whoa!

:skip:

Puff still one of the notable industry people of all time :wow:
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that's all it is. having a name brand as a executive is apparently a terrible thing because he is now the scape goat of the industry aka the devil for uneducated buffoons.

:francis:the fact that Diddy still doing the get money shuffle beyond getting his face underneath a tire by now blows my damn mind.

Breh really is Lucifer in a Sean Jean Velour :mindblown:

embarrassing and stupid. he is just a business man...
 
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People want to believe Puff was signing people to terrible record deals, and it isn't true
Bad Boy artists signed standard deals
Artists today would love those deals: Huge advances, you get to keep all your merchandise and all your tour money.
In 2020, where artists are splitting everything with record labels (merch, album sales, tour money), those bad boy deals look even better.
I hate people that defend giving bad deals in no way is it good to take the majority of profits from the artist split it fairly ,just because those contracts were standard doesn’t mean you can’t structure a deal that’s fair on both sides

10 album deal had to have sounded crazy back then and today that’s just greedy on puffs behalf
 

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that's all it is. having a name brand as a executive is apparently a terrible thing because he is now the scape goat of the industry aka the devil for uneducated buffoons.



embarrassing and stupid. he is just a business man...
Puff has a pattern of singing artists to the worst deals ever; how can you defend 450k for 10 albums??? "Whoa" alone is worth more than that.

all of his Bad Boy artists got fukked the same way and if Big had lived, they def wouldn’t be as close

"he’s just a business man"
:martin:
 

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"worst deals ever"

:laff:

THOSE ARE STANDARD CONTRACTS... do you know what standard means?

means that Puffy didn't do anything different than what was the industry STANDARD. He didn't invent his own contracts...

plus the artist was signed before WHOA like someone pointed out Rob was on the label since 95. you talk as if Puffy knew he was going to make Whoa one day to milk it.

I swear you nikkaz can't be business men. shyt is retarded. stop buying into what is popular. Puffy was just a regular executive WITH A NAME BRAND. that's why he is the target of hate by people who think that he did some foul shyt. he did REGULAR business. Taylor Swift had a similar contract when she came into the industry the only thing that changes per artist is the Advance...
Puff has a pattern of singing artists to the worst deals ever; how can you defend 450k for 10 albums??? "Whoa" alone is worth more than that.

all of his Bad Boy artists got fukked the same way and if Big had lived, they def wouldn’t be as close

"he’s just a business man"
:martin:
 

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People want to believe Puff was signing people to terrible record deals, and it isn't true
Bad Boy artists signed standard deals
Artists today would love those deals: Huge advances, you get to keep all your merchandise and all your tour money.
In 2020, where artists are splitting everything with record labels (merch, album sales, tour money), those bad boy deals look even better.
exactly

shyt is revisionist history from people with no knowledge.

Artists used to sign years in advance of album release dates and go through artist development. You talking about investing in an artist for years at a time with no product. Look at when Rob signed and when he dropped. No 360 deals, tour money...

That's years of studio costs with no promise of recouping.
 

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Imagine writing for diddy and that nikka taking a percentage of your shyt...

Imagine writing for yourself and diddy taking a percentage

Imagine writing for someone else and diddy taking a percentage

Imagine diddy releasing you and still taking a percentage from you

That nikka funding charities with your publishing
 

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$350k at that time was a decent 2 family home.........in The Bronx.

Damn he got ho'd
 
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