Black supremacy vs black dominance

[Crayola Coyote]

I need to buy some rounds. I ain't shot my gun in so long

 

[BlackJesus]

I'm scared of running into the same self destructive issues as other cultures trying to enact "supremacy"
I'm scared for our peoples being so downtrodden, that they are willing to fall into the same trap that history has shown isn't successful at scale

world domination through supremacy?
what culture is currently thriving through "supremacy"?
Who won through supremacy?

At least in America....
Theres more white people suffering from "white supremacy" than we are
the poor redneck with no insurance, no education, lack of social resources, and an overall low living/health standard...
is being told that "white supremacy" makes him special and allows those at the top to exploit him and the generations before him without question...
Look at poor Chinese or Chinese ethnic minorities and see the same pattern

I don't want the same for our people...

this whole thread sounds like an uneducated white person made it

It’s not a trap, it’s a cycle because of human nature. Humans form groups. Groups compete (and win or lose) for resources. Simple as that.

If you won’t or can’t understand that I don’t know what to tell you.

Poor people exist in every race but obviously blacks are over-represented amongst the poor and whites are under-represented. The numbers don’t work for us.

I mean if we are fukked and downtrodden how do we get unfukked? By being nice to everyone else? You tell me.

 

[MR. SNIFLES]

Would you say a community such as say, Koreatown an example of supremacy without dominance?

THAT'S DOMINANCE. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN HAVE SUPREMACY ON A SMALL SCALE. SUPREMACY DEPENDS ON DOMINANCE OR ELSE YOU CAN BE CHECKED BY THE LARGER POWERS THAT BE.

 

[Savvir]

It’s not a trap, it’s a cycle because of human nature. Humans form groups. Groups compete (and win or lose) for resources. Simple as that.

If you won’t or can’t understand that I don’t know what to tell you.

Poor people exist in every race but obviously blacks are over-represented amongst the poor and whites are under-represented. The numbers don’t work for us.

I mean if we are fukked and downtrodden how do we get unfukked? By being nice to everyone else? You tell me.

What do you even mean by "being nice" what are you proposing as an alternative to "being nice"?

I think you're tip toeing around what supremacy actually means to you as far as real world action.

My questions are causing you to unveil your true intent.

 

[Johnny Kilroy]

You nikkas just want to be equal and a hug from cacs. Just be honest

Why does what we want have to involve white people at all?

They’re in your head rent free, breh.

 

[BlackJesus]

What do you even mean by "being nice" what are you proposing as an alternative to "being nice"?

I think you're tip toeing around what supremacy actually means to you as far as real world action.

My questions are causing you to unveil your true intent.

“Being nice” as in basically doing what we’re currently doing.

• Begging for scraps, forming one-sided, fruitless alliances with other groups that get us nowhere.
  
  
• Being dispossessed of resources because we can’t defend them.
  
  
• Talking and protesting and yelling about how we just want to be “equal” yet equality never seems to be in reach.
  

And by the way what we’re doing now is clearly not working.

You never answered my question though. How do we solve this conundrum? I asked you to tell me.

 

[Savvir]

“Being nice” as in basically doing what we’re currently doing.

• Begging for scraps, forming one-sided, fruitless alliances with other groups that get us nowhere.
  
  
• Being dispossessed of resources because we can’t defend them.
  
  
• Talking and protesting and yelling about how we just want to be “equal” yet equality never seems to be in reach.

And by the way what we’re doing now is clearly not working.

You never answered my question though. How do we solve this conundrum? I asked you to tell me.

We solve the conundrum by coordinating our efforts for community reliance like every other successful society and minority in the world.

Pushing toward "supremacy" has only led to the destruction of any society that has attempted it.

Notable examples:
Germany
USSR
America
Japan
Rome
Mongols
Etc.

 

[Peter Parker]

We solve the conundrum by coordinating our efforts for community reliance like every other successful society and minority in the world. Pushing toward "supremacy" has only led to the destruction of any society that has attempted it.

"coordinating efforts for community reliance" takes coordination, something that on a mass scale hasn't happened and won't happen for a long time due to the large amount of differing ideals and mindsets within our community, those "successful" minorities all had an almost homogenous set of ideals which we do not.

The best solution is for us all to individually focus on the betterment of our families and communities, something that's very well within the grip of reality.

 

[Savvir]

"coordinating efforts for community reliance" takes coordination, something that on a mass scale hasn't happened and won't happen for a long time due to the large amount of differing ideals and mindsets, those "successful" minorities all had an almost homogenous set of ideals which we do not.

The best solution is for us all to individually focus on the betterment of our families and communities, something that's very well within the grip of reality.

The natural progression that would come from bettering our families and communities would be widescale coordination

its like the natural progression of civilizations from feudalism to a national identity

 

[BlackJesus]

We solve the conundrum by coordinating our efforts for community reliance like every other successful society and minority in the world.

Pushing toward "supremacy" has only led to the destruction of any society that has attempted it.

Notable examples:
Germany
USSR
America
Japan
Rome
Mongols
Etc.

Long after the British, and even American empires are long gone white supremacy will still be here you know why?

Because the underlying framework they have built is what lasts, not the individual nation states. White supremacy is an institution, a framework it is not a country.

Black supremacy would work in much the same way. That doesn’t just go away.

Ask yourself

• What language do you speak?
• What holidays do you observe?
• Whose job do you work at? Who’s on the face of your money?
• Who teaches your children?
• Who makes your laws?

Once you understand you live under a set of rules created for and by whites then you will understand what supremacy means.

Now how do you defend your “coordinated community” once the ruling society determines you are now a threat? How do you stop them from running negative press? Creating laws to make your life harder or raise your taxes? Calling you a “black identity extremist” and destroying your community from the inside? Flooding you with drugs?

Like I explained, what you describe is “black dominance” and it suffers from the same problems I outlined in the OP

How do you solve those problems?

 

[Elim Garak]

Christian Walker is that you?

 

[Savvir]

Ask yourself

• What language do you speak?
• What holidays do you observe?
• Whose job do you work at? Who’s on the face of your money?
• Who teaches your children?
• Who makes your laws?

Once you understand you live under a set of rules created for and by whites then you what understand what supremacy means.

Now how do you defend your “coordinated community” once the ruling society determines you are now a threat? How do you stop them from running negative press? Creating laws to make your life harder or raise your taxes? Calling you a “black identity extremist” and destroying your community from the inside? Flooding you with drugs?

Like I said what you describe is “black dominance” and it suffers from the same problems I outlined in the OP

American Jews and koreans exist in the same structure and still thrive....
They arent trying to enact "supremacy"
I suggest we follow the working examples instead of following the examples that failed


as a matter fact....
koreans were subjected to Japanese supremacy... imperial japan then ended up destroying themselves

jews were subjected to german supremacy... nazi Germany ended up destroying themselves

British "supremacy" led to loss of all their colonies and currently the passing of Brexit which is going to fukk up British business and citizens for generations

can you at least point to examples of successful "supremacy"?

 

[BlackJesus]

can you point to examples of successful "supremacy"?

That’s my point. We are living under supremacy RIGHT NOW. This has been unchanged for 400 years. All those empires rose and fell. White supremacy has remained. Germans, British, Portuguese, Spanish and French empires all rose and fell.

What I’m referring about is not nation-states. I’m talking about the social institutions promoting whites and white culture over other races. The list is extensive and inescapable.

• Hollywood
• Media
• Educational system
• Language (English)
• Economics
• Government policy/laws
• Public opinion
• Stereotypes
• Holidays/folkways
• Value systems

Again your examples fail to reconcile with the realities here. Koreans are not white and are still subject to white supremacy. Whites allowing them to have little enclaves and neighborhoods which they can take away at any time it’s not thriving, no more than being protected by the mafia is good business

Jews are white, so obviously it doesn’t affect them in exactly the same way it affects blacks. Jews, Italians and Irish are all white sub groups.

Tell me again how black people will be safe and secure from white supremacy under your vision?

 

[Savvir]

That’s my point. We are living under supremacy RIGHT NOW. This has been unchanged for 400 years. All those empires rose and fell. White supremacy has remained. Germans, British, Portuguese, Spanish and French empires all rose and fell.

What I’m referring about is not nation-states. I’m talking about the social institutions promoting whites and white culture over other races. The list is extensive and inescapable.

• Hollywood
• Media
• Educational system
• Language (English)
• Economics
• Government policy/laws
• Public opinion
• Stereotypes
• Holidays/folkways
• Value systems

Again your examples fail to reconcile with the realities here. Koreans are not white and are still subject to white supremacy. Whites allowing them to have little enclaves and neighborhoods which they can take away at any time it’s not thriving, no more than being protected by the mafia is good business

Jews are white, so obviously it doesn’t affect them in exactly the same way it affects blacks. Jews, Italians and Irish are all white sub groups.

Tell me again how black people will be safe and secure from white supremacy under your vision?

Hollywood and media:
have kids across the world using black slang and copying black culture
The major luxury designers have had to bring black people on board to keep with streetwear trends

Education system:
Crumbling... white supremacy hasn't helped it

Economics:
White supremacy has middle and lower class whites falling behind in earning, purchasing potential and overall health

Government Policy/Laws:
Worst incarceration rate and return on spending
High level of white people on pills/heroin/meth etc.
The focus on punishment they used against blacks has led to a loss of ability to rehabilitate white people caught in the same system
White supremacy has fukked over white offenders because the system was developed as a tool against us

Public Opinion:
poor and middle class whites hate the current state of their own nation

Stereotypes:
Rich whites definitely look down on poor and middle class whites
white supremacy hasn't helped against negative white sterotypes/socioeconomic judgment

Holidays:
not even sure the relevancy...
but the Christian fundamentalists are going crazy trying to tie holidays into their white supremacist agenda...
this same Christian faction has political power that is holding back the advancement of the entire nation

Value systems:
lol... there is no real value system
money > * in the white supremacist system


is this the system you look up to?

 

[BlackJesus]

Hollywood and media:
have kids across the world using black slang and copying black culture
The major luxury designers have had to bring black people on board to keep with streetwear trends

Education system:
Crumbling... white supremacy hasn't helped it

Economics:
White supremacy has middle and lower class whites falling behind in earning, purchasing potential and overall health

Government Policy/Laws:
Worst incarceration rate and return on spending
High level of white people on pills/heroin/meth etc.
The focus on punishment they used against blacks has led to a loss of ability to rehabilitate white people caught in the same system
White supremacy has fukked over white offenders because the system was developed as a tool against us

Public Opinion:
poor and middle class whites hate the current state of their own nation

Stereotypes:
Rich whites definitely look down on poor and middle class whites
white supremacy hasn't helped against negative white sterotypes/socioeconomic judgment

Holidays:
not even sure the relevancy...
but the Christian fundamentalists are going crazy trying to tie holidays into their white supremacist agenda...
this same Christian faction has political power that is holding back the advancement of the entire nation

Value systems:
lol... there is no real value system
money > * in the white supremacist system


is this the system you look up to?

Ok so hold on a second. TheColi complains daily about what white supremacy is doing to them. With no relief in sight. We are still at the bottom of every social indicator. We are still being killed by the police. We are still being ignored and denied by the politicians we vote for.

So is white supremacy going to continue kicking our asses or is it on it’s way out? Your whole narrative is not consistent with what everyone else here is saying.

If it’s as you say and WS is in the process of crumbling because people copy black culture and slang, then there is nothing more we need to do. We only need to wait for it to crumble. No need to shed blood or even waste time talking about it. If however the rest TheColi is right we have a major, epic struggle on our hands to replace the existing order.

Which is it Savvir?