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2 reasons. They never loved Kobe like that and they have to prop up everyonne LeBron lost to so he can be can be seen in a better light and his failures softened.They did Kobe dirty
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Superstar
Kobe had five rings @that point. WTF
Boohoo
Dwight Howard
Superstar
Kobe ended the McGrady debate after the 01 playoffs. He got more mvp votes cause kobe played with Shaq and had to take a stepback on many occasionsThis is not true at all...
Both years you're talking about, Kobe finished behind McGrady in MVP voting, and in real time it was very much a debate as to who the better player was between Mac and Kobe...
In the years you're talking about, there was no consensus that Kobe was better than Iverson, it was argued either way. I can tell you for certain, that during the 2001 Finals, Iverson was the hotter commodity...
Garnett was also, to a lesser extent, in that debate...
What you're attempting to illustrate, is that Kobe in '01 and '02, was of equal stature to 2011 Wade, or '17/'18/'19 Durant and Steph. A Top 3 player on the champion or runner-up...
In 2001 and 2002 Kobe was absolutely, already considered an awesome player. He didn't have Top 3 stature yet...
I didn't even mention Shaq and Duncan, who were the consensus two best players alive. Kobe was somewhere in the Top 5 range, but what you're doing is a microcosm of what guys do with Kobe overall: unnecessarily exaggerating his work or his stature to try to win a debate.
Its unecessary because being a Top 5-ish player, at any point in NBA history, is a high fukking bar. Its basically where Tatum or Shai or Luka are now, that was T-Mac/Kobe/Iverson 23-24 years ago. You could debate the order you want them in because all of those guys are that close, but none of those guys are Giannia or Jokic, and none of those guys have a lock on the #3 spot...
All those guys were in the Top 5 convo, you could throw Garnett in too although he (and Dirk) didn't really catapult until after the 3peat was over; but not a single one of those guys, INCLUDING KOBE, had a lock on #3, and not a singke one of those guys, was anywhere near the level of Duncan and Shaq...
Not in 2001 or 2002. People know this and the majority of heads are honest, its only the Kobe Stan demographic that has to act like being a Top 5 player is an insult, like being compared to Iverson and McGrady at that time is an insult, but yall do it to denigrate how Shaq was actually viewed at that time...
95% of people in real time, never even slightly viewed Kobe and Shaq as equals. It wasn't a real conversation....
You guys have made it one....Kobe was a great player during the 3peat. He was never a consensus Top 3 player at that stage if his career.
Never seen this commercial but it's hilarious and ironic for the fact, that the commercial basically illustrates how you guys are with LeBron
Every great player has haters, we see it with all the guys now (Jokic, Giannis, Shai, Tatum, Luka, etc). Kobe had plenty of haters. This commercial though is how you mf's get about LeBron
As mentioned many times before, I started watching basketball because of Kobe, my very first team allegiance was the Lakers, and my very first favorite player was Kobe.
This was 1999, my dad had me a subscription to SI Kids, and the first poster I ever ripped out and taped to my wall, was a centerfold of Kobe. I was a student at Weemes Elementary in South Central LA...
I moved to Virginia in 2001, and became an AI fan immediately, obviously already knew him, but he and Vick were fukking icons in Virginia at that time. There was a park across the street from my house and I started playing street ball with older guys there, mimicking AI...
Kobe took a huge PR hit with the rape situation and it followed him for a few years. Those extra MVPs you say he should've won, in what years was he winning them? '04 he didn't have the strongest case, and he was on bad teams in 2005-07. He didn't deserve any before '04, and the one he got in '08, internet people argue for Chris Paul, but i remember real time, people thinking LeBron would win his first that year. So '08 wasn't the greatest case either, but by '08 he was walking back into good grace and it was the, "we owe him one" award...
(He deserved it, I'm just saying he never had a clear cut season he deserved MVP over anyone)...
And I'm also saying that yall exaggerate the "media hit" he took. It lasted a few years, then his image was rebuilt and he was largely forgiven. There are athletes who got worse PR hits than he got.
Kobe was always a media darling from the moment he was drafted. The 3-4 year stretch that it was dark for him is a small part of his story, because its not like some lifelong shyt followed him around the rest of his life like Pete Rose or Ray Rice or OJ. Kobe's hit was more like Ray Lewis', lasted a few years, then he was in good graces again...
(And like Ray, there were still journalists here or there who brought up his scandal, but those people were in the vast minority).
Yall gotta stop doing this shyt with Kobe, we can talk about people not liking him without acting like he was public enemy #1 or something...
Everythingg
King-Over-Kingz
How many points did Lebron score in the last 4 minutes? You know, when the game was tight?
And you call being up 3 and only having to hit 1 out of 2 free throws to put the game out of reach "clutch"?
Again, how many points did Lebron have in the last 4 minutes? And for bonus, how many turnovers did he have in the last 4 minutes?
Lebron aint a closer. Thats why he always makes it a point to point out he "makes the right play" at the end of games
My first comment in this thread was about Jokic and Dr J.
But for yall the topic revolves around 1 guy.
Like always.
Plenty of people pointed out how Curry, Shaq, Duncan, Russell etc... didn't belong in front of Kobe either. Since you're only a Lebron apologist that's the only one that caught your eye
neither team scored for almost 4 minutes. you sound like a moron.How many points did Lebron score in the last 4 minutes? You know, when the game was tight?
And you call being up 3 and only having to hit 1 out of 2 free throws to put the game out of reach "clutch"?
Again, how many points did Lebron have in the last 4 minutes? And for bonus, how many turnovers did he have in the last 4 minutes?
Lebron aint a closer. Thats why he always makes it a point to point out he "makes the right play" at the end of games
Plenty of people pointed out how Curry, Shaq, Duncan, Russell etc... didn't belong in front of Kobe either. Since you're only a Lebron apologist that's the only one that caught your eye
i'll just leave this here for you to juelz
The King of Clutch; LeBron is No. 1 in NBA playoff buzzer beaters
Only six players have made multiple game-winning buzzer beater shots in the NBA playoffs. Who’s made the most? It’s not a surprise to anyone in Ohio. The king is The King, LeBron James, of Akron — by far. Be sure to note this stat doesn’t include Monday night’s crucial baskets, when James hit a...
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I didn’t make any case for any player in this thread tho.How many points did Lebron score in the last 4 minutes? You know, when the game was tight?
And you call being up 3 and only having to hit 1 out of 2 free throws to put the game out of reach "clutch"?
Again, how many points did Lebron have in the last 4 minutes? And for bonus, how many turnovers did he have in the last 4 minutes?
Lebron aint a closer. Thats why he always makes it a point to point out he "makes the right play" at the end of games
Plenty of people pointed out how Curry, Shaq, Duncan, Russell etc... didn't belong in front of Kobe either. Since you're only a Lebron apologist that's the only one that caught your eye
I just got yall in yall feelings over yall Dear Leader.
This makes zero sense since 02-03 tmac had one of the greatest guard years of all time. Stop the lies
This is not true at all...
Both years you're talking about, Kobe finished behind McGrady in MVP voting, and in real time it was very much a debate as to who the better player was between Mac and Kobe...
In the years you're talking about, there was no consensus that Kobe was better than Iverson, it was argued either way. I can tell you for certain, that during the 2001 Finals, Iverson was the hotter commodity...
Garnett was also, to a lesser extent, in that debate...
What you're attempting to illustrate, is that Kobe in '01 and '02, was of equal stature to 2011 Wade, or '17/'18/'19 Durant and Steph. A Top 3 player on the champion or runner-up...
In 2001 and 2002 Kobe was absolutely, already considered an awesome player. He didn't have Top 3 stature yet...
I didn't even mention Shaq and Duncan, who were the consensus two best players alive. Kobe was somewhere in the Top 5 range, but what you're doing is a microcosm of what guys do with Kobe overall: unnecessarily exaggerating his work or his stature to try to win a debate.
Its unecessary because being a Top 5-ish player, at any point in NBA history, is a high fukking bar. Its basically where Tatum or Shai or Luka are now, that was T-Mac/Kobe/Iverson 23-24 years ago. You could debate the order you want them in because all of those guys are that close, but none of those guys are Giannia or Jokic, and none of those guys have a lock on the #3 spot...
All those guys were in the Top 5 convo, you could throw Garnett in too although he (and Dirk) didn't really catapult until after the 3peat was over; but not a single one of those guys, INCLUDING KOBE, had a lock on #3, and not a singke one of those guys, was anywhere near the level of Duncan and Shaq...
Not in 2001 or 2002. People know this and the majority of heads are honest, its only the Kobe Stan demographic that has to act like being a Top 5 player is an insult, like being compared to Iverson and McGrady at that time is an insult, but yall do it to denigrate how Shaq was actually viewed at that time...
95% of people in real time, never even slightly viewed Kobe and Shaq as equals. It wasn't a real conversation....
You guys have made it one....Kobe was a great player during the 3peat. He was never a consensus Top 3 player at that stage if his career.
Never seen this commercial but it's hilarious and ironic for the fact, that the commercial basically illustrates how you guys are with LeBron
Every great player has haters, we see it with all the guys now (Jokic, Giannis, Shai, Tatum, Luka, etc). Kobe had plenty of haters. This commercial though is how you mf's get about LeBron
As mentioned many times before, I started watching basketball because of Kobe, my very first team allegiance was the Lakers, and my very first favorite player was Kobe.
This was 1999, my dad had me a subscription to SI Kids, and the first poster I ever ripped out and taped to my wall, was a centerfold of Kobe. I was a student at Weemes Elementary in South Central LA...
I moved to Virginia in 2001, and became an AI fan immediately, obviously already knew him, but he and Vick were fukking icons in Virginia at that time. There was a park across the street from my house and I started playing street ball with older guys there, mimicking AI...
Kobe took a huge PR hit with the rape situation and it followed him for a few years. Those extra MVPs you say he should've won, in what years was he winning them? '04 he didn't have the strongest case, and he was on bad teams in 2005-07. He didn't deserve any before '04, and the one he got in '08, internet people argue for Chris Paul, but i remember real time, people thinking LeBron would win his first that year. So '08 wasn't the greatest case either, but by '08 he was walking back into good grace and it was the, "we owe him one" award...
(He deserved it, I'm just saying he never had a clear cut season he deserved MVP over anyone)...
And I'm also saying that yall exaggerate the "media hit" he took. It lasted a few years, then his image was rebuilt and he was largely forgiven. There are athletes who got worse PR hits than he got.
Kobe was always a media darling from the moment he was drafted. The 3-4 year stretch that it was dark for him is a small part of his story, because its not like some lifelong shyt followed him around the rest of his life like Pete Rose or Ray Rice or OJ. Kobe's hit was more like Ray Lewis', lasted a few years, then he was in good graces again...
(And like Ray, there were still journalists here or there who brought up his scandal, but those people were in the vast minority).
Yall gotta stop doing this shyt with Kobe, we can talk about people not liking him without acting like he was public enemy #1 or something...
BRUH
HOW CAN U BE AN NBA HEAD AND HAVE NEVER SEEN THAT COMMERCIAL
WTF?
Everythingg
King-Over-Kingz
Trying to move the goalposts
I said Lebron wasnt a closer, then you, as a stat watcher, brought stats without nuanced. When the nuance shows that he didn't do much in the last 4 mins of both 4th quarters. Now instead of admitting that he didn't actually "close" like you said, you're trying to move the goalpost to another example of you blindly stat watching without nuance.
I didn’t make any case for any player in this thread tho.
I just got yall in yall feelings over yall Dear Leader.
"I didn't make any case." Exactly. You're here to whine about threads you always involve yourself in
I don't know who "dear leader" refers to but I think people are tired of the narratives the media/Lebron/Klutch uses to prop him up at the expense of others. And by people I mean those who arent fanboys that stat watch and think "better stats automatically means better player"
Nah y’all Kobe fans gave a genuine illness
What the hell are you even talking about.‘Never sought white acceptance’ you gotta be young. Pre rape case Kobe was the cookie cutter media darling. And the most damning and actually hilarious thing especially for this site that irrationally idolizes Kobe and Nas is this:
Initially, Kobe was more disliked by black folk than white folk. He was seen as tryhard…but then he lost sponsorships and dropped the act and people fell in love with the blunt a$$hole Kobe, bc that’s human nature. See Trump lovers
Anyway RIP Kobe but long story short knock it off with the agenda shyt just bc you emotional, delusional fans get checked EVERY TIME a published list drops. He is NEVER ranked top 5 yet y’all keep putting him side by side with Jordan. Y’all are the problem.
murksiderock
Superstar
What year did it come out? I was probably locked up or running the streets.
its a parody troll account you goofDudes really going back and forth with a white Latino and people that posts racists like this guy
I always been a Kobe guy but honestly why is it a consensus that Shaq is above Kobe on all time rankings? Let’s say Shaq was better than Kobe when they played, Kobe still has the better career. By this logic people use, shouldn’t KD be ranked higher than Steph since he was clearly the best player when they teamed up?
Gil Scott-Heroin
Veteran
This is some hilarious revisionism.
But this doesn’t answer the question on why Magic is typically rated high on these lists if you think defense should be weighted in that manner when it comes to Steph.
Shouldn’t you also believe Magic shouldn’t be rated over elite/great defenders in the top-10?
Dwight Howard
Superstar
Put kobe on Orlando and he averages atleast 35. As good as TMAC was he wasn't a killer or defensive threat. Kobe was better offensively as well.