Bob Arum on the UFC overtaking Boxing

[krackdagawd]

I'm not trying to say an mma fighter is food for a boxer in a street fight or vice versa I don't like getting into these types of arguments because anything can do down in a street fight. nikka go for a traingle choke against some maniac and dude bites his testicles like Tyson did Holyfield ear or some crazy shyt. MMA fighters win the mma fight boxers win the boxing match simple as that. All this other shyt is arguing just to argue.

 

[beanz]

You're talking out of your ass. MMA takedown defenses come from wrestling and a lot of wrestling footwork is similar to boxing, never on your heels, don't cross feet, one foot in front of the other, always circle never pull back etc in wrestling if you square up your chances of getting doubled/ankle picked/high crotch go up significantly. So explain to me how a boxer has a better chance of getting taken down because of their stance Wrestlers damn near use the boxing un garde position which you're referring to in regards to the boxing stance where youre back heel lines up with your front toe or "blade" as you call it

Greatest active wrestler alive and all he is in is a lower slightly more turned en garde position. If you square up to take you penetration step chances are your shot will be stuffed so with this non sense you talking like any boxer can be taken down like nothing because of their stance.

wrestlers and grapplers "square" up more because they have to worry about somebody shooting in. Boxers don't so they can afford to stand more sideways to give a slimmer target. I trained for 2 years in a gym that turned a boxer into a successful pro fighter still on the come up and I took classes with the guy. He had the habit of blading his body and was always getting caught in single leg takedowns because he had his front leg out farther than grapplers do.

How can u say it's the same stance when 1 is worried about takedowns and the other is not? How does that make sense in your head?

MMA is not "closer" to real fighting, real fighting involves someone smashing a bottle over your fukking head, having 2 people try to attack you or someone throwing a chair at you before they try to punch you. You act like it's just a given that Floyd or a boxer will just get taken down to the ground, like it's an impossibility for them to land a quick 1-2, considering they're far more accurate with their hands than MMA guys.


Again, ignore the FACT Conor McGregor is a former boxer, the whole reason he's so good is because nobody can fukk with his stand up game. You are talking out your ass, a fight can go either way period, you got good grapplers getting knocked out by shytty strikers (compared to boxers) all the fukking time.

Ya just ignorant of how effective takedowns are. It is not difficult AT ALL to take down a person who has never been taken down. I've seen it with my own eyes. Kickboxers, muay thai guys, karatekas, all of those guys have come into my old gym and all had to change habits to avoid getting taken down by fukking white belts. Yea he could land a quick 1 2 combo but he isn't knocking anybody out and no mma guy is going to blindly charge a champion boxer.

Connor McGregor is good because he is also a good grappler. If u arent a good grappler all the boxing in the world isn't saving u in the cage. Good grapplers getting knocked out are getting knocked out by other good grapplers with better hands, not by dudes that have no grappling and just hands.


And no mma isn't Street fighting but it's CLOSER to it than boxing is. How can anybody dispute that?

 

[Malta]

Ya just ignorant of how effective takedowns are. It is not difficult AT ALL to take down a person who has never been taken down. I've seen it with my own eyes. Kickboxers, muay thai guys, karatekas, all of those guys have come into my old gym and all had to change habits to avoid getting taken down by fukking white belts. Yea he could land a quick 1 2 combo but he isn't knocking anybody out and no mma guy is going to blindly charge a champion boxer.

Connor McGregor is good because he is also a good grappler. If u arent a good grappler all the boxing in the world isn't saving u in the cage. Good grapplers getting knocked out are getting knocked out by other good grapplers with better hands, not by dudes that have no grappling and just hands.


And no mma isn't Street fighting but it's CLOSER to it than boxing is. How can anybody dispute that?

It all makes sense now, you're the "I started training MMA 6 months ago and now am an expert" guy that needs to feel better about paying for his gym. Of course, a boxer can land a quick 1-2 with those little ass gloves and he's not knocking anyone out, why? Because @beanz the lord of combat said so.

Conor McGregor is a former boxer, PERIOD. Everything else is built off the foundation of being nice with his hands, his father was a boxer and he was trained by an Olympic boxer who is credited with his development as a fighter. He's a boxer that learned other shyt, like takedown defense You're so pressed, not every striker is a good grappler but you're trying to paint the picture that they all are.

No, it's not "closer" to it, your ground game doesn't mean shyt when homeboy picks up a chair, because that's a real fight.

 

[Newzz]

No let's not give anybody any extra training and wonder what they would be doing in a cage or a ring.

I'm saying right now, if Floyd, who has never ever had to worry about being taken down, got into a street fight with a mma fighter with a black belt in jiu jitsu he is going to lose. MMA is closer to real fighting than boxing is.

Boxers stances are different because they don't have to worry about being taken down. U could give Floyd all the defensive training u want, it isn't going to undo a lifetime of a specific stance. Boxers "blade" their bodies to make a smaller target. "blading" or standing more sideways than squared up, is the easiest way to be taken down and it's the first thing they teach u in any mma striking class.

I'm not talking out of my ass. Floyd is a great boxer and if u make Anderson Silva just box Floyd, Floyd will embarrass him. But fighting isn't boxing, there's more to it. A takedown is the easiest thing in the world to land on a boxer, ask James toney.

Just admit that if Floyd got into a fight in the street with a mixed martial artist, Floyd will lose. It doesn't take away from boxing or from Floyd as a boxer. It's just a logical fact. Does he stand a chance? Maybe if he lands a hard enough punch. But Floyd isn't known for knocking anybody out.

Now a heavyweight boxer with ridiculous punching power vs a heavyweight mma guy, he has more of a punchers chance because if he lands that short uppercut while the mma guy is coming in for a takedown, it's lights out. But if he doesn't land that punch it's over for him too.

Why don't we ask Ray Mercer instead?





Or how about Ricardo Mayorga?




That's 2 examples of legit former Boxing Champions stepping into the Octagon and getting W's. I have yet to see 1 MMA Champion step in the Boxing ring, and get a W


Boxing is the GOAT combat sport

 

[krackdagawd]

wrestlers and grapplers "square" up more because they have to worry about somebody shooting in

How are sprawling drills taught? land on your front hip/thigh while kicking the back leg out. From what position would this be the easiest to do?

. Boxers don't so they can afford to stand more sideways to give a slimmer target.

There are plenty of boxers that square up.

I trained for 2 years in a gym that turned a boxer into a successful pro fighter still on the come up and I took classes with the guy
the habit of blading his body and was always getting caught in single leg takedowns because he had his front leg out farther than grapplers do.

so because it happened to the Brooklyn brawler at your gym this is how it works all around the world? the distance you have to be in to get in a low or high single would be a very dangerous distance to be in with someone who know what they were doing.

How can u say it's the same stance when 1 is worried about takedowns and the other is not? How does that make sense in your head?

Did I say it was the same exact stance or that it was very similar. You're whole argument is that boxers aren't prepared for takedowns in a street fight and I'm explaining to you that an attacking wrestler stance is a stance many boxers have seen before and why.

But go ahead with you mma guys beat up boxers in the street argument breh, I'm good.

 

[beanz]

It all makes sense now, you're the "I started training MMA 6 months ago and now am an expert" guy that needs to feel better about paying for his gym. Of course, a boxer can land a quick 1-2 with those little ass gloves and he's not knocking anyone out, why? Because @beanz the lord of combat said so.

Conor McGregor is a former boxer, PERIOD. Everything else is built off the foundation of being nice with his hands, his father was a boxer and he was trained by an Olympic boxer who is credited with his development as a fighter. He's a boxer that learned other shyt, like takedown defense You're so pressed, not every striker is a good grappler but you're trying to paint the picture that they all are.

No, it's not "closer" to it, your ground game doesn't mean shyt when homeboy picks up a chair, because that's a real fight.

No I'm actually the trained for 3 years back in 2010 guy who doesn't train anymore but learned to respect it for what it is. Grappling is the foundation for mma. Connor can only have success because he is a good grappler. If he had shyt grappling he would be exposed every single time he stepped out. I'm no Lord of combat but I do keep an open mind about everything and try to be logical.

 

[beanz]

How are sprawling drills taught? land on your front hip/thigh while kicking the back leg out. From what position would this be the easiest to do?



There are plenty of boxers that square up.



so because it happened to the Brooklyn brawler at your gym this is how it works all around the world? the distance you have to be in to get in a low or high single would be a very dangerous distance to be in with someone who know what they were doing.



Did I say it was the same exact stance or that it was very similar. You're whole argument is that boxers aren't prepared for takedowns in a street fight and I'm explaining to you that an attacking wrestler stance is a stance many boxers have seen before and why.

But go ahead with you mma guys beat up boxers in the street argument breh, I'm good.

Where exactly has a boxer seen an attacking wrestlers stance before? Where have these boxers trainer takedown defense and sprawls before? Ya in denial like a Motherfukker

 

[krackdagawd]

It all makes sense now, you're the "I started training MMA 6 months ago and now am an expert" guy that needs to feel better about paying for his gym. Of course, a boxer can land a quick 1-2 with those little ass gloves and he's not knocking anyone out, why? Because @beanz the lord of combat said so.

Conor McGregor is a former boxer, PERIOD. Everything else is built off the foundation of being nice with his hands, his father was a boxer and he was trained by an Olympic boxer who is credited with his development as a fighter. He's a boxer that learned other shyt, like takedown defense You're so pressed, not every striker is a good grappler but you're trying to paint the picture that they all are.

No, it's not "closer" to it, your ground game doesn't mean shyt when homeboy picks up a chair, because that's a real fight.

Yeah I'm done even taking with dude it's a waste of time. Street fights have too many variable to be arguing about who beats who in regards to mma vs boxer.

as far as in the ring the boxer wins in the cage the mma fighter wins, nikka just arguing to argue

 

[beanz]

Why don't we ask Ray Mercer instead?





Or how about Ricardo Mayorga?




That's 2 examples of legit former Boxing Champions stepping into the Octagon and getting W's. I have yet to see 1 MMA Champion step in the Boxing ring, and get a W


Boxing is the GOAT combat sport

Both of those dudes trained extensively in grappling and respected it before stepping in. James toney did not and got shyt on for his efforts. Couture got the easiest paycheck of his life that night.

 

[Lewis Black]

was gonna say something but I see @Malta and @krackdagawd got it

 

[Newzz]

Both of those dudes trained extensively in grappling and respected it before stepping in. James toney did not and got shyt on for his efforts. Couture got the easiest paycheck of his life that night.

I didnt see Ray Mercer defend against a takedown at all...he didn't need to train in grappling now did he?

 

[Malta]

No I'm actually the trained for 3 years back in 2010 guy who doesn't train anymore but learned to respect it for what it is. Grappling is the foundation for mma. Connor can only have success because he is a good grappler. If he had shyt grappling he would be exposed every single time he stepped out. I'm no Lord of combat but I do keep an open mind about everything and try to be logical.

You didn't learn to respect boxing apparently

Bruh, Conor McGregor is a boxer, you can just watch him and see it in how he moves and sets up his punches. You out here sellingabout him being some good grappler, he's won 17 fights and 14 of them are Tko or KO via punches I mean, how can you explain that? He's a boxer that learned how to avoid being taken down and he's lighting muthafukkas up because they simply cannot stand and trade with him, why? Because he has a boxing background.

 

[beanz]

I didnt see Ray Mercer defend against a takedown at all...he didn't need to train in grappling now did he?

Yea i forgot about that. He knocked out a washed up idiot who decided to go toe to toe with him. That was the peak of his mma career tho wasn't it?

 

[beanz]

You didn't learn to respect boxing apparently

Bruh, Conor McGregor is a boxer, you can just watch him and see it in how he moves and sets up his punches. You out here sellingabout him being some good grappler, he's won 17 fights and 14 of them are Tko or KO via punches I mean, how can you explain that? He's a boxer that learned how to avoid being taken down and he's lighting muthafukkas up because they simply cannot stand and trade with him, why? Because he has a boxing background.

I've been a boxing fan longer than I've been a mma fan. Connor himself has a boxing background but like I said, if he wasn't a good enough grappler to avoid takedowns then he wouldn't be shyt either. I never said he was a world class grappler, but his grappling is miles ahead of floyds and it has to be to be successful in mma. Idk how to better explain that to u.

 

[Lewis Black]

ufc fighter gets the beats by some normal untrained dude