Bob James Suing Madlib for uncleared samples

[Urbanmiracle]

I agree on both sides. Madlib and Dilla were noted for not putting sample credits on records because some of the stuff they were sampling cost dough to get cleared. Plus Madlib is just about finding dope samples. Business shyt for later. Also, Sparkdala is mad old. It's not new. That song is atleast 5 years old or older. He has evolve into chopping up stuff to point where it's hard to tell where it's from. Which is another thing him and Dilla were trying to do. And Madlib isn't lazy, dude plays like a host of instruments and can produce. The song is old as hell, and they just released that record like 2 years ago on stones throw through itunes but that song been on tapes for years.


Now it would be nice if their acts would embrace that a new group of people are digging their music and giving it to a younger generation. As a producer myself, I've found myself becoming fans of the artist i sampled and brought records just to listen to their music not to look for samples. And it's not stealing. For samplers its just looking for hot sounds from the records we love. Rememeber hip hop started out as a genre for underprivileged youths who couldn't afford piano lessons and learn how to play instruments. So we hear the sounds of Bobs James and be like damn I wish I could play that or afford to hire him but since I cant, fukk it let me flip it.


I mean I also wish these guys who see it as an art form itself. Sampling sometimes is hard as fukk. To chop something up and create something new out of it. Picking sounds from different records from different genre with different tempos and make it fit and sound dope is art. It's beauty. We not stealing. We making art too dammit

 

[Alcantara]

People could make original stuff that sounds like samples if they don't wanna be lazy. Look at Adrian Younge

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

You know there was a point in time where they may not have known where a sample came from. Maybe it was a digital file or maybe a record with no label anymore. So there were times were something would be used, the sample wouldn't get cleared cuz the producer wasn't sure where it came from....

But now you can hold your phone up and have it search for the song instantly so I dont see the problem.

 

[SoulController]

wow, a Quasimoto song that generated like $5 in revenue? surprising

 

[King Ming]

Why not sue Lord Quas?

 

[Cole Cash]

Honestly it's either Madlib or Stone's Throws Fault. I know we are all hiphop heads here and wanna defend Madlib but he's in the wrong here. Either he shouldn't choose such a recognizable sample to use if he knew they weren't going to clear it or it's Stones throw fault for not clearing if they said they would.

Bob James is a notoriously hard artist to sample because he has always disliked hiphop and has always charged an arm n leg to sample him. I've talked to execs from the 90s who said he charged artist 100,000 to sample his works. Of course in the 90s 100Gs to a clear sample wasn't shyt. But him, Phil Collins, Steely Dan and other artist hate being sampled and will put you thru it if you try to sample them. I'm a small time player in the music industry so I know Madlib (whose been around since the 90s) knew that.

yea i read a story about donald fagan getting a personally hand written letter from kanye to sample a song that kanye was doing for his father and fagan initially rejected it saying
"if i was doing something about my father id just write it and compose it myself" but he let him sample it because it was a heartfelt plea, these dudes are old school jazz fusionists, they dont hate hip hop, they just dont like shyt being taken from them.

 

[NVious]

Sparkdala came from a DJ Design 12" which was originally released in 2001 on Stones Throw. It was reissued on the Yezzir Whatever compilation a couple of years ago, which is a collection of Quasimoto B-Sides/non-album tracks/unreleased joints.

Also, Dj Design produced this....not Madlib.

 

[TEKBEATZ]

Why not sue Lord Quas?

 

[NVious]

Why not sue Lord Quas?

 

[Da King]

fukk madlib

I've peeped the work, damn near didn't change a thing and didn't clear the sample on top of it

 

[NVious]

fukk madlib

I've peeped the work, damn near didn't change a thing and didn't clear the sample on top of it

He didn't make that beat though bruh. People (including Bob James) need to do their homework.

 

[1/2OfDaBruinz]

He didn't make that beat though bruh. People (including Bob James) need to do their homework.

The article is not written well because DJ Design is listed in the lawsuit under the name Keith Griego. The article is inaccurate because it says that Otis Jackson (Madlib) sampled the song. Bob James probably named Madlib as a defendant for his appearance on the song, kinda of like how Marvin Gaye's family added T.I. to the blurred lines lawsuit even though he just appeared a a rapper. In the event that Bob James wins, which is likely, then Madlib would probably have to sue Stones Throw and DJ design for any money he loss due to their negligence.

Edit: It does seem like Madlib is the primary defendant and DJ Design is an added party. I'm not sure why DJ design wouldn't be the main party.

 

[NVious]

The article is not written well because DJ Design is listed in the lawsuit under the name Keith Griego. The article is inaccurate because it says that Otis Jackson (Madlib) sampled the song. Bob James probably named Madlib as a defendant for his appearance on the song, kinda of like how Marvin Gaye's family added T.I. to the blurred lines lawsuit even though he just appeared a a rapper. In the event that Bob James wins, which is likely, then Madlib would probably have to sue Stones Throw and DJ design for any money he loss due to their negligence.

Edit: It does seem like Madlib is the primary defendant and DJ Design is an added party. I'm not sure why DJ design wouldn't be the main party.

Interesting. Thanks for the insight bruh.

If Madlib did indeed end up having to sue Stones Throw, this could be a very, very messy situation.

 

[Danie84]

Don't tell me it's Nautilus

...that one composition made Bob eat on a hundred, thousand, trillion

Hate it had to be Lib, tho

 

[MouseTeeth]

Bob James is GOAT