Bobby Shmurda dancing for a room full of white label execs

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well the fact that you ask that question just shows you dont see it as a big picture, you seem to see it as separate things

the issue with shmurda video is that he is jumping around like a monkey while rapping about killing black people in a room full of white people, if the room was filled with black execs it would still be a problem, the room being full of white peope just makes it 100x worse becuase it exposes the reality of who makes up the rap industry

but it is the whole picture that is jarring not the individual components

by itself there isnt a big deal if he was dancing like a monkey by himself or with his friends

by itself, in theory, there is nothing wrong with auditioning at a label's offices

by itself there is nothing wrong with rapping about killing black people as long as there is some artist merit and a point being made

your argument and others seem to be that the individual components are no big deal so therefore the whole situation is not that big of a deal, i think what me and 90% of people are saying is deeper than that, its the history of blackface and buffoonish black people in hollywood, its the history of the rap industry turning from diverse styles into a style of music where 'nikka', 'bytch', 'fuk' and 'shyt' is repeated dozens of times, its the history of corporate labels dominated by white people and a few black execs etc etc etc

so its not just the individual components of the video, its the historical and contemporary context that makes the video bad

and despite what the liberal brigade says, its actually a a white person that would tend to view the video as individual components, most black people see the video and instantly view it as a historical throwback to buffoonish characters in hollywood and of suffocating influence of white/corporate types on black people and black art and the decline of the art of rap, so most black people instantly cringe and gag at the video

as far as your question, we should use the same standard for mos def talib as we did for shmurda, so you need to clarify the hypothetical situation that you are asking about, are talib and def harkening back to buffoonish black characters with the way they move in the room? are they confronting white people in the room or are they trying to please? are they displaying the art of rap or are they doing whatever they think the audience finds entertaining?

overall we shouldnt lie to ourselves, me, you and everybody else with a brain knows what really happened and what is happening, guys like shmurda and chief keef have been told that if you act real ******ish you can make a lot of money from white people and they and the adults around them have brought into it

we as black people need to ask if we are going to continue to support this industry


i made the statement that people aren't seeing the bigger picture because there are way worse things happening in the world in terms of exploitation and institutionalized racism than bobby shmurda performing for record execs. on top of that, most of ya'll are attacking bobby himself and not acknowledging the social, racial, and economic context that created this dynamic in the first place, which i think is intellectually irresponsible. that is my main issue with this thread.

yall are not being conscious or deep by comparing bobby shmurda with blackface. you should actually be going deeper by examining the circumstances, power structures, and social systems that create and sustain exploitation and institutionalized racism. we should be making a practical plan to combat the larger problem instead of being outraged at one of the symptoms.
 

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i made the statement that people aren't seeing the bigger picture because there are way worse things happening in the world in terms of exploitation and institutionalized racism than bobby shmurda performing for record execs. on top of that, most of ya'll are attacking bobby himself and not acknowledging the social, racial, and economic context that created this dynamic in the first place, which i think is intellectually irresponsible. that is my main issue with this thread.

yall are not being conscious or deep by comparing bobby shmurda with blackface. you should actually be going deeper by examining the circumstances, power structures, and social systems that create and sustain exploitation and institutionalized racism. we should be making a practical plan to combat the larger problem instead of being outraged at one of the symptoms.

first im sure there are worse things going on in the world but to be perfectly blunt i dont give a fuk and that isnt the subject at hand, if you want to talk about worse things then make a thread about these other things, the fact that there are worse things going on in the world has nothing to with anything, are we only suppose to talk about the worst things in the world, i wasnt aware of that

i think what you dont get is that change starts with the individual, it doesnt start from the top to the bottom, it starts from the bottom up, so its the people that have to change first, and if you want to change there is nothing more important than identity and culture, if you want to address power structure and socials systems first you have to address the individual

at the end of the day its bobby shmurda and the people around him that need to change
 

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yeah you can do something, you can stop supporting it

Well you don't have to worry about that from me. I don't support it and I might by an album once every year. The last album I bought was Kendrick's last one. And the idea of me buying a Bobby Shmurda album is just....:russ:
 

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An Open Letter to Bobby Shmurda
http://newculturevibes.wordpress.com/2014/11/14/an-open-letter-to-bobby-shmurda/



Dear Bobby Shmurda,

I have danced to your song “Hot nikka.” It’s on my iPod and I love when it plays. What does this mean? It means that I enjoy a catchy beat, a nice flow and even better, a fun dance to complement it. However, for a while, I didn’t know that you were rapping about murdering people. I was simply lured in by your beat, flow and dance alone. The lyrics were dissonance: mere noise that did not register in my mind. Though mainstream rap is often frowned upon, not all the time am I compelled to listen to politically conscious music like Common and Mos Def (though I adore them both, and also have them on my iPod). Sometimes I want to simply hear a beat, hear some words that flow and dance without digesting or internalizing the lyrics. However one day, when I was listening to your song without dancing, I actually heard what you were saying and it disrupted my fun. I can no longer listen to your song with a clear conscience. I try to deliberately block the lyrics, but hearing myself say, “errbody catchin’ bullet holes,” is just not OK. I am too well aware of your mental disease to even enjoy this track like I want to. Not only are you spewing disease, but also you are spewing self-hate and in the words of a Caribbean: fukkry.

Recently you performed in a conference room for Epic Records. I watched as you danced and lip-synced to a song titled “Computers,” running across the room, pulling up your pants (that were deliberately seated low) and shooting an imaginary gun. As the song finished, you stretched out both arms and looked to the sky as if you were king. You were proud, and they, (who I assume were the executives of Epic Records), were proud as well. They watched you in silent perplexity and dry clapped in unison, palms lightly patting the other, just enough to make an audible, “this will do” sound. It was cringe-worthy. Just so you know, the “civilized” claps are the worst ones. That’s how you know people ain’t really feelin’ it. They do it out of social obligation. Your lyrics re-affirm your inferiority to them.

You see, your ignorant performance is not only a mockery, but it is their money. It is their testimony that the mentality of the black race is emblematic of disaster. Essentially, the circumstances of what you considered your stage in that conference room looked oddly familiar to an auction block: black man on top, baring himself to that of the highest white bidder. The thing is, they don’t care about you. They sat at a table listening to you rap about killing people and they gave you a petty clap.

Please realize what you are depicting. In essence, you are representative of a slave. You are willing to work for The Man, as long as he’s reciprocating a couple of dollars worthy of bragging rights. Though financial freedom is something we all strive for, your freedom is at the cost of you, as well as the race you represent. You see, the inferiority of the black race was built upon the idea of criminality; we were always criminally responsible even when we weren’t. We only held value when we represented money for our owner. We were only property that produced cash. Right now, you Bobby, are representative of property, rapping about everything that criminalizes you, like killing your kind. In case you haven’t noticed yet, they’re paying you because you are upholding the black narrative: “Blacks are wild. They’re monstrous. They’re criminals. They must be tamed.” The more you uphold this, the more white supremacy perpetuates. They depend on you to remain at the top of their Eurocentric hierarchy. Perpetuating this hierarchy does absolutely nothing for you. Blacks have fought hard to not be depicted as villains and here you are with lyrics like, “we droppin bodies bytch. They say shootin is my hobby bytch. And I’m a problem kid.” You are blatantly telling them you are a problem. This is how it translates: “The black boy has said it himself! He’s telling us to be afraid of him! It’s best we stay alert and take pre-caution: shoot first, lie about it later,” re-affirming that the recent white police on black male homicides were “just.” You basically just told the system to shoot you because you are wreaking havoc on their “good” society.

Moving on, the cover of your EP shows you wearing a ski mask with wide eyes and tongue out, looking wild, disheveled and suspicious: the perfect formula for the perception of the black man in a white world. Your cover is reminiscent of a minstrel show. Bobby, please don’t allow yourself to be a mockery. There are young black men who die because white society deems them to be uncontrollable nuisances. Don’t be that confirmation.

Bobby, you need to be freed. When slaves sought freedom, they taught themselves how to read. Please seek your freedom by way of knowledge, because performing in a conference room full of white business people who can care less about your well-being isn’t it. I understand that you represent Brooklyn, well, Brooklyn has plenty of public libraries. Utilize them. It’s knowledge for free at your own discretion.

Concerned,

Imani

P.S: This part of the letter is dedicated to racist police and the American government:

Please do not shoot this young man. He’s already dead. His hands are already up in surrender to white supremacy. He does not need to be in jail; he has been imprisoned his entire life. His music is emblematic of this. Instead, treat him like a white criminal who just shot a couple of schools: place him in therapy. He needs a therapist who understands the evils of the American system and who could help him to fight through this. Again, Bobby Shmurda has already surrendered. Someone. Please answer his SOS.
 

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Bobby on the industry:

"they robbin' y'all like they robbin' me..." :snoop:


This was him talking about promoters and people booking shows, etc actually

That being said, the video in OP is somewhat difficult to watch but I'm guessing boy bands and pop acts do the same type of thing for label execs. when they're signing. Bobby just kind of ratchet to begin with. :ld:
 
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