Boiling lobsters alive now illegal in some countries

[Goombreh]

Biproduct of egg production. The male chics are culled because they can't produce eggs and selective breeding of egg chickens makes them undesirable as meat producing chickens (broilers). They're sexed and culled at a day old, supposedly 7B each year. You'd think there'd be some other use for them, but they commonly grind them up or suffocate them.

You learn something new everyday cause i thought they turned them into chicken nuggets or something. So much waste

 

[Luke Cage]

You learn something new everyday cause i thought they turned them into chicken nuggets or something. So much waste

Could let them live somewhere, or maybe give them to black farmers to help breed with their chickens and build their own chicken farms.
But nah might as well kill them instead, but hey at least they weren't tortured to death. Very humane of us

 

[Box Factory]

I bet you're using Eurocentric science as your source...the source that doesn't even respect the humanity of individuals in their same species simply because their skin color is different.

Cab you explain the flaw in Lobsters not having a brain or nervous system that allows them to feel pain and how that's "eurocentric"?

 

[Deuterion]

Cab you explain the flaw in Lobsters not having a brain or nervous system that allows them to feel pain and how that's "eurocentric"?

1. Humans have risen to the point of being technicians of organic life not creators of it so it is by no means a definitive source on who doesn’t/does feel pain.
   
2. Europeans as a culture do not respect any life form that is not a part of their in-group so if you’re using science coming from them to determine if a lifeform feels pain, you’re getting a biased perspective. Remember that young boy got shot outside Michigan by that Asian and the reporter asked the little boy “DID IT HURT?” She asked that dumb ass question BECAUSE SHE DOESN’T BELIEVE THE LIL BOY IS HUMAN LIKE HER. If a lil boy of the same species isn’t even thought to feel pain then a lobster has no chance.

Europeans think that if something is not just like them then it’s wrong or inferior and that mindstate permeates everything coming out of Europe. Just because a Lobster isn’t built just like you doesn’t mean it doesn’t feel pain. First off why would it be built just like you when none of its environment is similar to yours? In a video in this thread the lobster was propping itself up to stop itself from being dunked into the boiling water…the presumption should be that it feels pain just like you but Europeans don’t think like that which is why if you think like that too, you’re thinking eurocentrically.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

You guys keep coming to the conclusion that "if one thing is not as bad as another thing, it is therefore good.". That argument makes no sense. two things can both be bad even if one is not as bad as the other. Torture is inhumane, so is getting shot in the head. killing is killing.

Not good. But you’re acting like they are on the same level. Getting a sharp knife to the head is infinitely better than being boiled alive. And not being killed at all is obviously the best way

 

[Box Factory]

1. Humans have risen to the point of being technicians of organic life not creators of it so it is by no means a definitive source on who doesn’t/does feel pain.
   
2. Europeans as a culture do not respect any life form that is not a part of their in-group so if you’re using science coming from them to determine if a lifeform feels pain, you’re getting a biased perspective. Remember that young boy got shot outside Michigan by that Asian and the reporter asked the little boy “DID IT HURT?” She asked that dumb ass question BECAUSE SHE DOESN’T BELIEVE THE LIL BOY IS HUMAN LIKE HER. If a lil boy of the same species isn’t even thought to feel pain then a lobster has no chance.

Europeans think that if something is not just like them then it’s wrong or inferior and that mindstate permeates everything coming out of Europe. Just because a Lobster isn’t built just like you doesn’t mean it doesn’t feel pain. First off why would it be built just like you when none of its environment is similar to yours? In a video in this thread the lobster was propping itself up to stop itself from being dunked into the boiling water…the presumption should be that it feels pain just like you but Europeans don’t think like that which is why if you think like that too, you’re thinking eurocentrically.

So you have no clue at all about how a lobsters system works and just wanted to go on a retarded rant?

Again please explain how their nervous system or brain would relay pain?

 

[Luke Cage]

Not good. But you’re acting like they are on the same level. Getting a sharp knife to the head is infinitely better than being boiled alive. And not being killed at all is obviously the best way

no i'm not.just saying they're both bad. how bad they in relation to each other is irrelevant.

 

[The Realist Perspective]

What I wanna know is how the fukk are they gonna police this?

 

[3rdWorld]

Are they tossed in boiling water or cold water that is then heated to boiling point??

There's also the experiment with a frog in boiling water..

 

[Deuterion]

So you have no clue at all about how a lobsters system works and just wanted to go on a retarded rant?

Again please explain how their nervous system or brain would relay pain?

Do lobsters feel pain? Switzerland says yes

“There’s no absolute proof, but you keep running experiments and almost everything I looked at came out consistent with the idea of pain in these animals,” said Robert Elwood, professor emeritus of animal behavior at Queen’s University in Belfast, Northern Ireland. “There should be a more humane approach with lobsters.”

Michael Tlusty, a lobster biologist at the University of Massachusetts, Boston, takes a middle ground. He agrees that lobsters lack the brain anatomy that we associate with pain sensation. But crustacean brains are so different from ours, he said, that no one can really say for certain what they are feeling.

In several studies since, Elwood has shown that crustaceans guard wounded limbs and avoid areas where they’ve been shocked — even leaving their shells behind if necessary. When he traveled to Singapore, he said he watched as street sellers kept grabbing live crabs as they scuttled off a barbecue grill, keen to get away.

He’s now convinced that those responses are the crustacean equivalent of pain.

lobsters remain the only animals we still kill in our own kitchens. We have to face the ethics of that decision, he noted, while we more easily ignore such feelings about other animals in our diet.

Experiments Show Crabs and Lobsters Experience Pain

But a series of experiments by Queen's University Belfast animal behavior researcher Robert Elwood presented Wednesday to the Behavior 2013 conference in Newcastle, UK, suggest that crustaceans do indeed experience pain.

Elwood's experiments were published in 2013 and 2008, but he presented the findings in tandem at the Behavior conference, according to the Nature blog.

Elwood said, "Assessing pain is difficult, even within humans," but he that there is a "clear, long-term motivational change [in these experiments] that is entirely consistent with the idea of pain."

If you're tilting it from a container into the steaming kettle, the lobster will sometimes try to cling to the container's sides or even to hook its claws over the kettle's rim like a person trying to keep from going over the edge of a roof. And worse is when the lobster's fully immersed. Even if you cover the kettle and turn away, you can usually hear the cover rattling and clanking as the lobster tries to push it off. Or the creature's claws scraping the sides of the kettle as it thrashes around. The lobster, in other words, behaves very much as you or I would behave if we were plunged into boiling water (with the obvious exception of screaming). A blunter way to say this is that the lobster acts as if it's in terrible pain, causing some cooks to leave the kitchen altogether and to take one of those little lightweight plastic oven timers with them into another room and wait until the whole process is over.

Everything Lobsters do show that they experience pain but for some reason you don't think they do because their anatomy is different than yours? Once again, thinking like a European.

 

[Box Factory]

Do lobsters feel pain? Switzerland says yes








Experiments Show Crabs and Lobsters Experience Pain

Everything Lobsters do show that they experience pain but for some reason you don't think they do because their anatomy is different than yours? Once again, thinking like a European.

Several of those quotes specifically say they lack the system to feel pain. You can't be this fukking stupid?

You just wanted to go on a stupid rant about "eurocentric science" ( not a thing btw, science is science and was developed by black and brown ppl)

You compared a dumb reporter asking a kid if it hurt when he got shot to "eurocentric science"

You're a moron

 

[Box Factory]

Do lobsters feel pain? Switzerland says yes









Experiments Show Crabs and Lobsters Experience Pain








Everything Lobsters do show that they experience pain but for some reason you don't think they do because their anatomy is different than yours? Once again, thinking like a European.

Also hilarious that you're citing the same "eurocentric science" to try and prove your point that "eurocentric science" is fraudelnt


Thecoli broke your brain

 

[Deuterion]

Several of those quotes specifically say they lack the system to feel pain. You can't be this fukking stupid?

You just wanted to go on a stupid rant about "eurocentric science" ( not a thing btw, science is science and was developed by black and brown ppl)

You compared a dumb reporter asking a kid if it hurt when he got shot to "eurocentric science"

You're a moron

No, my quotes state that they lack the system HUMANS have to feel pain and that's probably because they are not humans and are built differently. I'll share the quote.

Michael Tlusty, a lobster biologist at the University of Massachusetts, Boston, takes a middle ground. He agrees that lobsters lack the brain anatomy that we associate with pain sensation. But crustacean brains are so different from ours, he said, that no one can really say for certain what they are feeling.

 

[The Realist Perspective]

Several of those quotes specifically say they lack the system to feel pain. You can't be this fukking stupid?

You just wanted to go on a stupid rant about "eurocentric science" ( not a thing btw, science is science and was developed by black and brown ppl)

You compared a dumb reporter asking a kid if it hurt when he got shot to "eurocentric science"

You're a moron

 

[The Realist Perspective]

No, my quotes state that they lack the system HUMANS have to feel pain and that's probably because they are not humans and are built differently. I'll share the quote.

That can go both fukking ways.

But the truth is, even if the chance is 0.00000001%

It is not a big ask to just kill the mother fukker quickly to decrease the suffering.