Boogie Cousins: 2nd Straight 20/20/10 Triple Double

[Malta]

you mean to tell me that boogie wouldn't have some sort of impact if he were on the pelicans or the jazz?? any kind of impact?? Gobert is not winning a lot of games with this kings squad and neither is AD

The kings are garbage man lol, they are a shytty organization who's best come up ever was demarcus cousins, they fail year after year to put together a good team and even once they build a decent/ok squad....they blow it up!

The Kings would win more with Davis in place of Cousins, he's a better defender and a more efficient scorer that doesn't turn the ball over, Boogie had 8 turnovers tonight, but I'm going to assume that wasn't his fault. I'd rather have Gobert I know my defense is going to be elite for the next 10 years and can focus on other areas of building my team.


He's not a franchise player, he's a number 2 option forced into the role of a franchise big. He's Al Jefferson with more touches dude hated playing with Thomas, who is now a vital weapon for the Celtics, he hated playing with Evans who is helping the Pelicans. Basically it's going to take a team full of defensive players just giving him the ball for him to be happy.

 

[Malta]

I seem to remember someone suggesting we trade Russy for Boogie

Then we traded Reggie for Turkish Boogie

You made the right decision I even had Boogie as my number 1 center under 25, but yet another awful season from his team is too much to stand.

Good point about Kanter being Turkish Boogie, I bet if he had a 34 usage rate the numbers (and losses) would be damn near the same.

 

[DeVanteSwing]

The Kings would win more with Davis in place of Cousins, he's a better defender and a more efficient scorer that doesn't turn the ball over, Boogie had 8 turnovers tonight, but I'm going to assume that wasn't his fault. I'd rather have Gobert I know my defense is going to be elite for the next 10 years and can focus on other areas of building my team.


He's not a franchise player, he's a number 2 option forced into the role of a franchise big. He's Al Jefferson with more touches dude hated playing with Thomas, who is now a vital weapon for the Celtics, he hated playing with Evans who is helping the Pelicans. Basically it's going to take a team full of defensive players just giving him the ball for him to be happy.

alright

 

[Greenstrings]

He's a high-volume scorer. He needs touches to develop rhythm. He's a highly-strung player that swallows up possessions in order to get out of shooting slumps. This isn't debatable. He doesn't have the temperament to be an efficient #1 option, he's a diva - his play is a double-edged sword. Again something that isn't debatable. Him bytching to refs constantly during the game and not running back on defense isn't going to change. Him being hardheaded when he's in a funk; stopping the ball isn't going to change.

There are literally no high scoring players that don't require touches to get into rhythm and out of slumps, I don't understand how that's supposed to be a knock against him.

You should know better than to buy wholesale into rote personality descriptors as long term indicators of anything. In the right situation "he's a diva, he's high strung" becomes "he's intense, he demands a lot from his teammates", we know how this shyt works, we know how it'll be "he's really grown up" and "he knuckled down and got serious" or "coach has done a great job keeping him focused and on task" should things improve around him.

Much is made of the few times that he acts out but the vast majority of the time he's switched on and effective.

I'd love it if people would not use "ball-stopper" like its a dirty word or carries any meaningful connotations beyond the obvious. A ball stopping player can be very useful in the context of an offense that emphasizes ball movement as a means of establishing good position. You've watched the Kings, they are very bad at this.

Bullshyt. He's had this style of play well before he was even in the league. What you're basically saying is that he's going to have a personality change, which is highly unlikely. Malone had him leveled out, but as soon as that figure wasn't there and the Kings opted to deviate away from a style of play that suited his skillset - he went back to his old self. Which is why you're kidding yourself, if you think he only needs a few things in place to succeed.

He's the equivalent to a dime who's equally as crazy as she fine.

Wait so on one hand we're going to agree (Which I don't doubt you do) that college basketball fosters awful offensive play and on the other say that the fact that his game hasn't changed since then isn't indicative of bad NBA coaching?

The presence of Malone wasn't "a few things" it was just one thing that made all that difference. So how exactly am I kidding myself? How the hell is it a good idea for a team to deviate from a style of play that suited the skillset of their best player? From what we know and the way he talks about the organisation is it not likely that they're even crazier than he is? How crazy was Z Bo before he got to Memphis?

There's no denying that, but he's always going to be a below-50% scorer through the fact he stops the ball.

He could definitely stand to be more efficient but that isn't a function of ball stopping.

He wouldn't survive in an environment like Portland - mostly because they don't have great playmakers and touches need to be shared evenly throughout the starting 5. Plus the fact that LMA doesn't need the ball to be effective and doesn't use unnecessary possessions to get going.

Touches are shared out relatively (I use the term loosely as LMA and Lillard use up about half the teams possessions) evenly in Portland as they have multiple offensive threats. LMA doesn't overextend himself because they have multiple offensive threats. Who are those threats in Sacramento? And how are Batum and Lillard not great playmakers?

 

[Greenstrings]

You made the right decision I even had Boogie as my number 1 center under 25, but yet another awful season from his team is too much to stand.

Good point about Kanter being Turkish Boogie, I bet if he had a 34 usage rate the numbers (and losses) would be damn near the same.

His usage rate isn't 34, for all you've made of it he isn't in the top 5 in the league.

 

[Originalman]

you mean to tell me that boogie wouldn't have some sort of impact if he were on the pelicans or the jazz?? any kind of impact?? Gobert is not winning a lot of games with this kings squad and neither is AD

The kings are garbage man lol, they are a shytty organization who's best come up ever was demarcus cousins, they fail year after year to put together a good team and even once they build a decent/ok squad....they blow it up!

look at these guys


they needed a PG and skip payton

Dude the kings have arguably the worst guard play in the league. Since I have been watching the NBA since the 80s I have never seen a team with a 20 pt scoring center that had this bad of guard play. These dudes can't even complete a 3 on 1 fast break without turning over the ball. Add to the fact Cousins and his teammates rarely get calls from the refs and it is no reason this team sucks. Karl hasn't even implemented a system...the team is a total reck.

I would argue right now that 1991 Scott Skiles that played with that 41-41 Shaq's team his rookie year that didnt make the playoffs would come to the kings and be the best guard or wing player on the team right now and he was trash on that team. That is how bad the kings guards and wing players are.

 

[Originalman]

Also history shows since their move to sacramento except the webber years that the kings were always on the clippers level in ineptness when it comes to running an organization. That and the clippers were the teams that players went to die and waste their career away.

They don't have a good history or track record.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Put Boogie on the Cavs in place of Love and they are winning the title guaranteed. The boy is the best center in the league and if you put capable players around him I think he could lead a team to some type of postseason success. Him with a pure point like Wall or Paul would be a sight to see cause he's never had a pure point who knows how to get a big man the ball in his best scoring spots.

This kind of proves @Brozay point

 

[Brozay]

This kind of proves @Brozay point

Yeah, its why I didnt bother responding

I dont think Boogie can the the best player on a contending team. He needs a perfect situation

 

[The Maverick]

His defense isn't good enough to go the 2009 Magic route of surrounding him with shooters and letting him run wild...

And he requires too much space in the paint to stick a non-offensive big man next to him like the 2011 Mavs did for Dirk...

Honestly, if I'm the Kings, I'm quietly talking to Toronto/Boston/Orlando and trying to see what people will let go of for him. Building a team around him seems like a tall order when he's not gonna stretch the floor or be a dominant defender. I'd start feeling out the market. Unfortunately, the Kings with their below average GM and meddling owner would probably not be able to capitalize on a trade opportunity for Cousins.

So the treadmill continues....

 

[mr. smoke weed]

Boy is on his prime ish.

Is boy on his prime ish?

 

[mr. smoke weed]

skihat showing, yet again, that he has no chill

Chill mode malfunction. Consult

 

[Tim Dripcan]

Shaq lite.

 

[Kd35brah]

The Kings would win more with Davis in place of Cousins, he's a better defender and a more efficient scorer that doesn't turn the ball over, Boogie had 8 turnovers tonight, but I'm going to assume that wasn't his fault. I'd rather have Gobert I know my defense is going to be elite for the next 10 years and can focus on other areas of building my team.


He's not a franchise player, he's a number 2 option forced into the role of a franchise big. He's Al Jefferson with more touches dude hated playing with Thomas, who is now a vital weapon for the Celtics, he hated playing with Evans who is helping the Pelicans. Basically it's going to take a team full of defensive players just giving him the ball for him to be happy.

No he's not.

Lol at the second part.

 

[Malta]

His usage rate isn't 34, for all you've made of it he isn't in the top 5 in the league.

His usage rate is 34.1 on Basketball-reference, 32 on ESPN big difference

No he's not.

Lol at the second part.

Yes he is.

You remember when I told you Kanter was horrible defensively and you didn't want to believe me Boogie is Al Jefferson with the greenest of green lights