Boogie Cousins: 2nd Straight 20/20/10 Triple Double

[savage_king90]

I bet you shyt on Love for his 30/20 games in losses though


Great big men didn't NEED frontcourt mates to at least make it to .500, Boogie NEEDS a defensive PF for his teams to win games. This is yet another season 15+ games under .500, how this dude escaping from criticism is just It ain't like the Kings are coming close to the playoffs and missing by a game or two, they are consistently a 24-28 win team.

What center would you replace him with that would make the Kings a winning team? Outside of gay and cousins no other player would crack the rotation of a good team.

 

[tremonthustler1]

I bet you shyt on Love for his 30/20 games in losses though


Great big men didn't NEED frontcourt mates to at least make it to .500, Boogie NEEDS a defensive PF for his teams to win games. This is yet another season 15+ games under .500, how this dude escaping from criticism is just It ain't like the Kings are coming close to the playoffs and missing by a game or two, they are consistently a 24-28 win team.

If you have to say "well he can be dominant and great" followed by "he just needs (insert long ass laundry list of shyt)" you have to ask yourself, is it really worth it?

Huh?

So you're telling me Cousins, who needs the ball in his hand ALOT and takes ALOTTA shots too, plays mediocre defense and plays like a grown baby would make CLE title favorites? Do you watch him play? A lot of times people think a losing team is b/c of the lack of talent, but it's also about the attitude and character of the players in that locker room, do you really think Cousins has the attitude & character to be a winner? Look at how he acts on the court and how he's been since he came in the league...he's not making anybody a title contender anytime soon. The players y'all choose to cape for on here SMH

@Malta being on the anti Cousins bandwagon, got a seat reserved right up front in your honor big dawg

He was like this at KENTUCKY!

 

[The War Report]

If you have to say "well he can be dominant and great" followed by "he just needs (insert long ass laundry list of shyt)" you have to ask yourself, is it really worth it?

He was like this at KENTUCKY!

He's just a big bytch. If he wasn't so good at basketball, The Coli would attribute his bytchassness to being fatherless.

 

[tremonthustler1]

Or maybe it means hes tired or doesnt agree with the way the organization is building the team around him. The kinga squad/organising has lacked a lot of continuity since cousins has been there. They dont hold onto coaches, players, coaches staffs, hell they even ship out lottery picks before they even had a half a season with the organization.


Its evident They dont know how to build around cousins and he probably well aware of that

He was like this when he got drafted. What was his excuse then?

He was like this trying to get with Team USA. What was his excuse then?

He was like this at UK. What was his excuse then?

As bad as the Kings are, one of their problems is that they chose to build around him. They're hoping a light bulb goes off in his head and that the numbers will make everything ok. A good well run organization would find it tough to do everything everyone wants for DMC. A rebuilding team that's in flux is gonna go nuts trying to do it. Granted the Kings are far from a model organization, but he's not helping. He's 24 hasn't won shyt but thinks shyt needs to be done on his terms yet his terms aren't conducive to long term success.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You're going to end up wrong on this if he finds himself in a better situation.

A better situation or a perfect situation tailored to his game?

 

[Greenstrings]

A better situation or a perfect situation tailored to his game?

Given what he's been able to do in one of the worst organisations in the league?

Better is all should take.

You're overstating his flaws as if the fulfilment of his talent is balanced on a knife edge. All players need a few things in place to succeed that if already present will get taken for granted. In his case it really wouldn't take much.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Given what he's been able to do in one of the worst organisations in the league?

Better is all should take.

You're overstating his flaws as if the fulfilment of his talent is balanced on a knife edge. All players need a few things in place to succeed that if already present will get taken for granted. In his case it really wouldn't take much.

I'm doing anything but.

In the context of 5s - he's had an All-Star season - that much is true, but dude's a diva, high-rep, low% shooting ball-stopper; it's clear he needs more than just a few things in place to succeed. I don't know if it's worth risking a rebuild around him with all the touches he'll need, with the inevitability of an enabling environment for his style of play, which will lead to nowhere.

 

[Greenstrings]

I'm doing anything but.

In the context of 5s - he's had an All-Star season - that much is true, but dude's a diva, high-rep, low% shooting ball-stopper; it's clear he needs more than just a few things in place to succeed. I don't know if it's worth risking a rebuild around him with all the touches he'll need, with the inevitability of an enabling environment for his style of play, which will lead to nowhere.

Here's the thing, he doesn't need all those touches to be effective. The style of play he's developed has in a lot of ways been shaped by poor rosters and bad coaching, it isn't written in stone especially for a 5 at the age of 24. Health allowing there's a lot of time for improvement. The tools for a more fluid and refined offensive game are all there, just takes the right coach to realise it and creative ball handlers/shooters to complement it. He essentially needs what LMA has in Portland. By all rights he should be a black hole but his situation allows him to express his game in ways that benefit the team.

I've been lowkey hoping Karl would impart some of his philosophy but it appears he's written this season off and is happy to sit back until he can switch up the roster.

I'll also add that despite his rep (and yes he's done himself no favors in this regard) he's actually a decent rim protector when switched on, which is most of the time.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Here's the thing, he doesn't need all those touches to be effective.

He's a high-volume scorer. He needs touches to develop rhythm. He's a highly-strung player that swallows up possessions in order to get out of shooting slumps. This isn't debatable. He doesn't have the temperament to be an efficient #1 option, he's a diva - his play is a double-edged sword. Again something that isn't debatable. Him bytching to refs constantly during the game and not running back on defense isn't going to change. Him being hardheaded when he's in a funk; stopping the ball isn't going to change.

The style of play he's developed has in a lot of ways been shaped by poor rosters and bad coaching, it isn't written in stone especially for a 5 at the age of 24.

Bullshyt. He's had this style of play well before he was even in the league. What you're basically saying is that he's going to have a personality change, which is highly unlikely. Malone had him leveled out, but as soon as that figure wasn't there and the Kings opted to deviate away from a style of play that suited his skillset - he went back to his old self. Which is why you're kidding yourself, if you think he only needs a few things in place to succeed.

He's the equivalent to a dime who's equally as crazy as she fine.

Health allowing there's a lot of time for improvement. The tools for a more fluid and refined offensive game are all there, just takes the right coach to realise it and creative ball handlers/shooters to complement it.

There's no denying that, but he's always going to be a below-50% scorer through the fact he stops the ball.

He essentially needs what LMA has in Portland. By all rights he should be a black hole but his situation allows him to express his game in ways that benefit the team.

I've been lowkey hoping Karl would impart some of his philosophy but it appears he's written this season off and is happy to sit back until he can switch up the roster.

I'll also add that despite his rep (and yes he's done himself no favors in this regard) he's actually a decent rim protector when switched on, which is most of the time.

He wouldn't survive in an environment like Portland - mostly because they don't have great playmakers and touches need to be shared evenly throughout the starting 5. Plus the fact that LMA doesn't need the ball to be effective and doesn't use unnecessary possessions to get going.

 

[Malta]

@Malta

Name those bigs bro lol and I actually like Love so I don't think I ever shytted on him on this site

Brow, Shaq, Yao, KG, Hakeem, Amare, Dwight, Robinson etc etc etc all helped turn their teams around within 1-3 years of getting there.


I could also point out some guys who posted gaudy numbers, but couldn't lead their teams anywhere, Al Jefferson had a 23/11/2/2/1 season a few years ago

The Kings were winning earlier in the season, but of course dealt with Cousins' injury and throughout the season they've dealt with Rudy Gay's injury and Darren Collison has been gone forever it seems, that's their main core

then of course they had to deal with the coaching changes throughout the season, i think the kings described their interim coach as a substitute teacher, and it looked like it

it's not cousins fault, and his defense isnt as much as a liability as you think, and yeah i did see that vine clip of him not doing anything on defense

vuccimane is very underrated, i dont know if youre making it like thats a bad thing, hes one of the top young bigs to me

Lets not act like they were 28-8 when he went out, they were 9-6, that is basically the best 15 game stretch in his entire career as far as defense is concerned.

It's never Cousins fault, please explain to me how it's not a centers fault when his team is losing when we know for a fact they impact the game more than any other position. Look at the damn Utah Jazz, in only his second season Rudy Gobert has been the main driving force behind their current surge of wins. We saw how that team looked without him starting, and they're 15-8 with him in the lineup, you can see Anthony Davis impact as well, great big men make an impact on wins and losses.

You missed the point, Vucevic is a good center, but he's not a franchise player and he absolutely needs defensive players around him to make up for his own lack of it. Cousins is in the same exact boat, he just gets a lot more touches on offense and these gaudy numbers don't lead to wins, his usage rate is retarded.

 

[Bledswole]

Dude is on some other shyt.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/4258/d-cousins

4/1- 24pts/21rebs/10ast/6blks/3stls
4/3- 24/20/13/4/1

and even before the past two games

3/27- 39/20
3/25- 24/11

last 5 game average: 27.8/18/7/3.5 with 39.8 minutes played per game

#freeboogie

Really not suprised,it's been said since he entered the league,he's got all the ability to be the best big in the game,even better than Ant Davis,it's up to Boogie tho.

 

[DeVanteSwing]

Brow, Shaq, Yao, KG, Hakeem, Amare, Dwight, Robinson etc etc etc all helped turn their teams around within 1-3 years of getting there.


I could also point out some guys who posted gaudy numbers, but couldn't lead their teams anywhere, Al Jefferson had a 23/11/2/2/1 season a few years ago





Lets not act like they were 28-8 when he went out, they were 9-6, that is basically the best 15 game stretch in his entire career as far as defense is concerned.

It's never Cousins fault, please explain to me how it's not a centers fault when his team is losing when we know for a fact they impact the game more than any other position. Look at the damn Utah Jazz, in only his second season Rudy Gobert has been the main driving force behind their current surge of wins. We saw how that team looked without him starting, and they're 15-8 with him in the lineup, you can see Anthony Davis impact as well, great big men make an impact on wins and losses.

You missed the point, Vucevic is a good center, but he's not a franchise player and he absolutely needs defensive players around him to make up for his own lack of it. Cousins is in the same exact boat, he just gets a lot more touches on offense and these gaudy numbers don't lead to wins, his usage rate is retarded.

Winning games is a total team effort, it's not just gobert, he also has one of the most underrated players in the league in gordon hayward, and anthony davis has good pieces surrounding him as well...

do you remember the pelicans keeping afloat and winning while anthony davis was injured? Do you remember when DMC got injured??

i already stated the reasons why you're not seeing W's for the Kings for the past seasons, i don't know why you equate an entire players' impact on team wins and losses

 

[Malta]

Winning games is a total team effort, it's not just gobert, he also has one of the most underrated players in the league in gordon hayward, and anthony davis has good pieces surrounding him as well...

do you remember the pelicans keeping afloat and winning while anthony davis was injured? Do you remember when DMC got injured??

i already stated the reasons why you're not seeing W's for the Kings for the past seasons, i don't know why you equate an entire players' impact on team wins and losses

Big men are not judged the same as wing players, sorry but history has shown over and over and over again a great big man can at the very least get his team to .500. You keep saying team effort as though we're talking about winning championships, this dude with these numbers cannot get his team to .500. I can run down a gang of names of big men that went to shytty teams and their squads improved in their first 4 years, even if there were little personnel changes.

No, Gobert is the reason they're winning games, that very same underrated Gordon Hayward and the Jazz were 20-34 without Gobert in the starting 5, they are 15-8 with him starting since the trade deadline. Their defense went from 27th in the league to first with him starting in that time span. That is impact and that is what big men do, they can account for wins. The Pelicans were a 21 win team before Davis got there, they have won more games every single season since he's been in the league. You talking about remember the Kings when DMC got injured, my nikka remember them last year when he played 71 games and they only won 28 of them? We can go even further, the year before they drafted him they won 25 games, since drafting him they have won an average of 25 games a year, but a supposedly dominant big man isn't to blame.

The best part is you're talking about how the Pelicans have a roster, yeah one that includes a dude that couldn't coexist with Boogie

 

[DeVanteSwing]

Big men are not judged the same as wing players, sorry but history has shown over and over and over again a great big man can at the very least get his team to .500. You keep saying team effort as though we're talking about winning championships, this dude with these numbers cannot get his team to .500. I can run down a gang of names of big men that went to shytty teams and their squads improved in their first 4 years, even if there were little personnel changes.

No, Gobert is the reason they're winning games, that very same underrated Gordon Hayward and the Jazz were 20-34 without Gobert in the starting 5, they are 15-8 with him starting since the trade deadline. Their defense went from 27th in the league to first with him starting in that time span. That is impact and that is what big men do, they can account for wins. The Pelicans were a 21 win team before Davis got there, they have won more games every single season since he's been in the league. You talking about remember the Kings when DMC got injured, my nikka remember them last year when he played 71 games and they only won 28 of them? We can go even further, the year before they drafted him they won 25 games, since drafting him they have won an average of 25 games a year, but a supposedly dominant big man isn't to blame.

The best part is you're talking about how the Pelicans have a roster, yeah one that includes a dude that couldn't coexist with Boogie

you mean to tell me that boogie wouldn't have some sort of impact if he were on the pelicans or the jazz?? any kind of impact?? Gobert is not winning a lot of games with this kings squad and neither is AD

The kings are garbage man lol, they are a shytty organization who's best come up ever was demarcus cousins, they fail year after year to put together a good team and even once they build a decent/ok squad....they blow it up!

look at these guys


they needed a PG and skip payton

 

[DoubleJ13]

I seem to remember someone suggesting we trade Russy for Boogie

Then we traded Reggie for Turkish Boogie