#bothsiders come on in....

[At30wecashout]

if you can’t understand the basic concept of the federal reserve then you’re the first person I’ll ever tell NOT TO VOTE.

I know what the federal reserve is you gotta speak straight cause all that other shyt sounds real “Roc-A-Fella is illuninati” ish.

 

[Savvir]

#Bothsides understands the lesser of two evils argument perfectly fine.

we are in agreement then

 

[HarlemHottie]

The Democrat party is leaps and bounds better for black and working class people than the Republicans. Most reasonable people can point that out with some caveats.

One major caveat being, ANYONE can be "better" when compared to outright fascists.

Tighten up that talking point, breh.

 

[Everythingg]

I know what the federal reserve is you gotta speak straight cause all that other shyt sounds real “Roc-A-Fella is illuninati” ish.

Uhh ok the federal reserve is a private entity that controls the money for the whole country with the public/govt having no say/control over. So who really has the power? Here’s a quote:

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men.”
Woodrow Wilson

Notice he said in the hands of a few men, not a particular political party

 

[TripleAgent]

It's not about good, it's about pragmatism.

At the end of the day, SOMEONE is going to be calling the shots.

I'd much rather have someone who is working towards 50% of my interests than someone actively trying to destroy me. I'd much rather keep the literal klan member away from power than then milquetoast "hey, lets all find common ground" liberal.

Any time I hear someone say "both sides" I automatically question their intelligence. I understand one's frustration with the wishy-washy Democrat, but the tactic of abstinence in regards to voting makes zero sense if you actually understand American politics.

And people like @Black Panther are right... these "both sides" critiques, 100% of the time, are made to convince liberals/leftists not to vote for Democrats. It's never a conservative convincing a Republican... because even they aren't that stupid.

*edit* And the cappin for Republicans who are literally trying to steal from you is some c00n shyt. fukk all yall who do this.

Yeah, this is exhibit A.

The Democrat party is leaps and bounds better for black and working class people than the Republicans. Most reasonable people can point that out with some caveats. This knee-jerk "fukk both of them" attitude looks like a childish temper tantrum instead of a reasonable analysis of politics today.

I suppose that's better than the "pick me/I'm not the stereotypical negro/I'm off the Democrat plantation" person who is LARPing as a sensible moderate or conservative as a way to... I'd assume... demonstrate free thought or intelligence. No one thinks that person is intelligent.

Flooding Black areas with illegals and giving them resources you won't give to the people that live there so they can leapfrog and replace you isn't "actively trying to destroy" you? What are the Republicans doing or trying to do that's so bad we should ignore our replacement? Links please, no "trust me bro" Dem talking points.

What need is there to convince Republicans of anything? We're Black (allegedly), and Black people vote 90% Democrat, so what else is there to do but try to get people to stand up to them? The ENTIRE point is to get the Democrats to stop taking Blacks for granted, which will ONLY happen if we show them we won't blindly vote for them. Anything else is Dem shills and haters trying to throw people off.

 

[NoMayo15]

The democrats are not your friends muthafukka havent you figured that out by now!!! you so staunchly democratic you refuse to see they are trying to phase us out with illegal immigrants you dumbass wake up!!!! You talking about policies the same policies destroying the black neighborhoods in Chicago? The same policies taking our tax dollars and giving them to illegal immigrants!? What the fukk are you smoking??? WAKE UP!!!

This is irrational fear bait. Chicago's problems are much larger than the effects of having undocumented immigrants. Exactly how much funding do you think goes to support them to spite native born Chicagoians?

One major caveat being, ANYONE can be "better" when compared to outright fascists.

Tighten up that talking point, breh.

This is precisely the point. We're not advocating for saviors here. In the absence of a more viable choice, its best to do triage so the least amount of harm is done to us and our people as possible. It's the most basic of reasoning.

 

[UpNext]

So there's two quintessential ideological battles here. The people who contort their minds to conform and go along to get along, and the people who are progressive. "Both sides" leans progressive as the idea is to make yourself appealing to more progressive candidates by demonstrating you won't support the current regime. Lesser of two evils is still evil and all of that.


The other folks are the conformists who are content with letting the wheels churn as they may. They'll say otherwise, but you can't find anything on their ballots or in their actions that match what they. So their complaints aren't taken seriously by anyone really and politicians can pretty much get away with whatever they want because there's no real incentive to actually do anything that's going to elevate their voter base. Their inaction becomes justification for voting for them (I know that politician x isn't doing y that's hurting z so that's why I'm voting for him). So they can just focus on satisfying lobbyists and the big corporations lining their pockets. Who are still violating your civil rights, but I guess it's in a more passive form so it's ok.


Unfortunately most of America fits into either group 2 or complete apathy so here we are. And group 2 now becomes the attack dogs for these same politicians they are aware aren't actively working on policy to improve the conditions of their life because I guess they voted for them so they feel this very one sided sense of loyalty? I don't get it.

 

[NoMayo15]

Flooding Black areas with illegals and giving them resources you won't give to the people that live there so they can leapfrog and replace you isn't "actively trying to destroy" you? What are the Republicans doing or trying to do that's so bad we should ignore our replacement? Links please, no "trust me bro" Dem talking points.

What need is there to convince Republicans of anything? We're Black (allegedly), and Black people vote 90% Democrat, so what else is there to do but try to get people to stand up to them? The ENTIRE point is to get the Democrats to stop taking Blacks for granted, which will ONLY happen if we show them we won't blindly vote for them. Anything else is Dem shills and haters trying to throw people off.

What do you mean "leapfrog amd replace"? If you're trying to fearmonger about immigrants, you're going to have to bring receipts because I don't see it as a zero-sum game as you do. I've grown up with undocumented immigrants, gone to school with them, player sports with them, been in relationships with them. I'm no more competing with them for government assistance than any other native born citizen. And I certainly don't see any evidence that they are specifically gaining resources to spite me. These are regular working people, who just happened to be born somewhere else due to some weird twist of fate. That could have easily been you or me. So, if they decide to join and contribute our community, I see no reason to specifically target and scapegoat them as the source of society's problems. Them "replacing us" is some weird white supremacists talking point that has never been substantiated. For the most part, they don't vote, so what exactly are they replacing us in? Jobs? Schools? We should be in solidarity with other working people, not painting them as evil. Especially considering how difficult our society makes it for them to do as normal of things like get jobs or an education.

I could list a litany of things the Republicans are doing, but off the top of my head and at work here I think the attacks on affirmative action and "diversity hires" should immediately give you pause. They're clearly attempting to white wash the history of the country and the world in K-12 schools. Their stances on taxation, abortion..... and actually almost every issue they support negatively impacts poorer people the most... and black people are one of the least wealthy groups in America. I can come with receipts in a bit, but anyone with any amount of social consciousness knows these are facts, and that Republican policies are by-and-large more harmful to black people overall. There's a reason Democrats get 90% of the black vote.

 

[HarlemHottie]

It's the most basic of reasoning.

Uh, yeah, that's my point. It's basic af.

Are you at all familiar with the wealth forecast for black Americans? Even before the pandemic, we were on our way to $0. That's before the pandemic and catastrophic homelessness (as of 2022, we make up 40% of the homeless population) and illegals.

If the Democrats don't stop, we wont even be here for the fascism.

 

[HarlemHottie]

And group 2 now becomes the attack dogs for these same politicians they are aware aren't actively working on policy to improve the conditions of their life

And then tell us, "We'll hold them accountable, pinky swear."

Clowns. You can't even say they re-arranging chairs on the Titanic, they hoping somebody else re-arranges them of their own free will. As we all prepare to drown.
God willing, we really arguing with cacs in blackface cuz otherwise, chile...

 

[NoMayo15]

Uh, yeah, that's my point. It's basic af.

Are you at all familiar with the wealth forecast for black Americans? Even before the pandemic, we were on our way to $0. That's before the pandemic and catastrophic homelessness (as of 2022, we make up 40% of the homeless population) and illegals.

If the Democrats don't stop, we wont even be here for the fascism.

Don't stop what, exactly? I'm not sure if we even disagree, but from my perspective it's imperative that they stop Republicans from outlawing blackness. No clue as to what you want them to stop doing. The problem is you have people who think the best way to get Democrats to do this is to abstain from the democratic process altogether... which is patently absurd.

 

[Amo Husserl]

One major caveat being, ANYONE can be "better" when compared to outright fascists.

Tighten up that talking point, breh.

This is precisely the point. We're not advocating for saviors here. In the absence of a more viable choice, its best to do triage so the least amount of harm is done to us and our people as possible. It's the most basic of reasoning.

Flooding Black areas with illegals and giving them resources you won't give to the people that live there so they can leapfrog and replace you isn't "actively trying to destroy" you? What are the Republicans doing or trying to do that's so bad we should ignore our replacement? Links please, no "trust me bro" Dem talking points.

You know what the problem is... we don't have new leaders or organizations guiding where we are now and what we want now. This why internet personalities can get online and grift, they ain't been properly vetted, no one credible is goin' head up with them, they ain't got any bread to sustain an organization to help black people and narrow talking points for the rest of us to have some direction. They just get online and talk, and for the last coupla decades that's all we been doin': talking.
The old organizations and leaders washed, no real young blood puttin' people together and resources up "speaking for the people", just a whole lotta talkin'. Yeah, issa handful o'people ery'where tryin' do somethin'. It's not like having a SCLC, NOI, CORE, NAACP, SNCC and those folks tappin' into the consciousness of a black political socioeconomic agenda and doin' it independently, articulately and truthfully. Now all's we got is paid opposition and sensationalism. What it is is this: where are black people trying to go in this country? We stickin' together or no?

Btw, mayo on a grilled chicken-tomato sandwich with pickle .

 

[HarlemHottie]

Don't stop what, exactly?

Undermining us economically.

Where are you? This may be regional (north/ the coasts vs the south), but its affecting the cities we're in outside the south.

 

[HarlemHottie]

You know what the problem is... we don't have new leaders or organizations guiding where we are now and what we want now. This why internet personalities can get online and grift, they ain't been properly vetted, no one credible is goin' head up with them, they ain't got any bread to sustain an organization to help black people and narrow talking points for the rest of us to have some direction. They just get online and talk, and for the last coupla decades that's all we been doin': talking.
The old organizations and leaders washed, no real young blood puttin' people together and resources up "speaking for the people", just a whole lotta talkin'. Yeah, issa handful o'people ery'where tryin' do somethin'. It's not like having a SCLC, NOI, CORE, NAACP, SNCC and those folks tappin' into the consciousness of a black political socioeconomic agenda and doin' it independently, articulately and truthfully. Now all's we got is paid opposition and sensationalism. What it is is this: where are black people trying to go in this country? We stickin' together or no?

Btw, mayo on a grilled chicken-tomato sandwich with pickle .

ADOS is organizing in chapters. I'm a member.

We too good to be 'led' by a Howard trained political scientist and a UCLA trained lawyer now? I'm technically better educated than both, but I didn't step up and neither did my peers.

 

[TripleAgent]

What do you mean "leapfrog amd replace"?
If you're trying to fearmonger about immigrants, you're going to have to bring receipts because I don't see it as a zero-sum game as you do. I've grown up with undocumented immigrants, gone to school with them, player sports with them, been in relationships with them. I'm no more competing with them for government assistance than any other native born citizen. And I certainly don't see any evidence that they are specifically gaining resources to spite me. These are regular working people, who just happened to be born somewhere else due to some weird twist of fate. That could have easily been you or me. So, if they decide to join and contribute our community, I see no reason to specifically target and scapegoat them as the source of society's problems. Them "replacing us" is some weird white supremacists talking point that has never been substantiated. For the most part, they don't vote, so what exactly are they replacing us in? Jobs? Schools? We should be in solidarity with other working people, not painting them as evil. Especially considering how difficult our society makes it for them to do as normal of things like get jobs or an education.

1. "Migrants" magically end up in Black areas of these cities
2. There have already been pushes to allow them to vote
3. These illegals are getting free resources (and eventually new credit profiles if the Dems have their way) to stack, open buisnesses and advance, while Blacks starve.
4. We ask for reparations, community resources, jobs, etc. "where is the money gonna come from?" or myriad other excuses. Illegals sneak into the country? HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS appear out of thin air to give them what Blacks have needed for 150 years.

The Democrats are importing a new voting bloc, likely because Blacks are waking up and are unsatisfied with Benign Neglect. If this is wrong, then what is the endgame of letting millions of people in and funneling them into areas full of already poor, disenfranchised people that you're actively ignoring?

I could list a litany of things the Republicans are doing, but off the top of my head and at work here I think the attacks on affirmative action and "diversity hires" should immediately give you pause. They're clearly attempting to white wash the history of the country and the world in K-12 schools. Their stances on taxation, abortion..... and actually almost every issue they support negatively impacts poorer people the most... and black people are one of the least wealthy groups in America. I can come with receipts in a bit, but anyone with any amount of social consciousness knows these are facts, and that Republican policies are by-and-large more harmful to black people overall. There's a reason Democrats get 90% of the black vote.

Again, links, not just what you heard or feel.

Abortion? How is this a Black issue? Democrat trickery. Only they push Black women to kill their kids. I wonder why

Remove statues of Margaret Sanger, Planned Parenthood founder tied to eugenics and racism

How a woman who advocated for selective breeding of her fellow citizens came to be memorialized with those who built a country is hard to understand.

www.usatoday.com

Affirmative Action? Benefits WW and other "minorities" more than Blacks

White women benefit most from affirmative action. So why do they oppose it?

People associate affirmative action with ending discrimination against people of color. But women are the greatest beneficiaries, scholars say.

www.usatoday.com

People often associate affirmative action with efforts to end discrimination for people of color. But scholars say the greatest beneficiaries of affirmative action policies are white women, from college campuses to the American workplace.