Brady > Manning. The Discussion Ends

[mastermind]

Who created Peyton Mannings system in Indy? Tom Moore? So we gonna act like Montana didn't have fukking Bill Walsh the creater of the damn WCO? Well who is Mannings Belichick or Walsh? Peyton Manning doesn't just play in the system, he created the system he played in as well.

The Tom Moore system is very similar to what Scott Mitchell was running in Detroit under.... Tom Moore.

The fact that Peyton took that system with him to Denver means.... means he is a system QB. Guess what? There isnt a damn thing wrong with that because it means a QB is a successful. Just like Joe Montana, Brett Favre, or Steve Young in the WCO or Troy Aikman in the Zempese-Air Coryell offense, or whomever else you want to name.

 

[STAN JONES]

in 9 of his 10 playoff loses with Indy Peyton failed to put up 20

2010 = 17-16 L to the Jets
2009 = 31-17 L to the Saints
2008 = 23-17 L to the Chargers
2005 = 21-18 L to the Steelers
2004 = 20-3 L to the Pats
2003 = 24-14 L to the Pats
2002 = 41-0 L to the Jets
2000 = 23-17 L to the Dolphins
1999 = 19-16 L to the Titans

just wanted to throw this out there since people tend to blame Indys D for alot of his playoff loses

 

[Big Boss]

if only brady was 5-0 in the super bowl

 

[JLova]

Once Brady got comparable offensive weapons that Peyton had his whole career he seem set the league on fire.... Manning Stans like to ignore that

 

[Lakers Offseason]

How was he along for the ride when he led multiple game-winning drives?

The first Patriots SB was a team effort, no denying that. But people are arguing just for the sake of arguing right now. And Brady was nowhere near as terrible as Peyton was. If anything you could point out that he got knocked out of the Steelers game.

Brady is better, but not for many of the terrible reasons in here, but the reasons to defend Peyton are equally horrible and you know they're getting dapped up by nothing but Peyton stans. None of us want to run through all the reasons all over again though.

But let me put it like this, Brady went to the SB last year with a mediocre defense and by throwing the ball to win, those are exactly the types of teams Peyton was losing with. So that's no excuse either. Ill-adivsed INT towards the end of that game aside, Brady won a game where his defense was letting Flacco style on them. Peyton was losing games as the 1 seed where HE played horrible. That's the problem, I'd be more sympathetic if he was playing well and losing, but he was wack too with his "unstoppable offenses" that got stopped in the playoffs. But that's all I'll say on this today.

So much truth

 

[Street Knowledge]

There's like literally nothing left accept for arm flapping. Brady has better numbers in the RS and the playoffs on a game to game basis. Plus his best season>Peyton's

(Up to last year)
Tom Brady (124-35 career record, 78%)
Per Game: 22-33, 251 yards, 1.9 TD, 0.7 INT

Peyton Manning (150-77 career record, 66%)
Per Game: 22-34, 264 yards, 1.9 TD, 1 INT

Playoffs(obviously not counting these 2 games which makes it a bigger gap in Toms favor)

Tom Brady: 22 games (16-6 record)
499-793 (63%), 5285 yards, 38 TD, 20 INT
Per game: 23-36, 240 yards, 1.7 TD, 0.9 INT

Peyton Manning: 19 games (9-10 record)
453-718 (63%), 5389 yards, 29 TD, 19 INT
Per game: 24-38, 283 yards, 1.5 TD, 1.0 INT

Defenses(not counting this year again, which would actually favor tom because The pats gave up more points then the Broncos. 14 Points were off special teams)

Colts (19 games) 397 points allowed (21 ppg allowed) 90 of which came off of Manning INTs, 23%, 5 points per game), 35 turnovers forced (2 TO forced per game)

Patriots (22 games) 421 points allowed (19 ppg allowed) 43 of which came off of Brady INTs, 10%, 2 points per game), 44 turnovers forced (2 TO forced per game)

Kickers

Tom Brady
Adam Vinatieri 23-30 (77%) 3 game-winning kicks
Stephen Gostkowski 14-19 (74%) 1 game-winning kick
Totals - 37-49 (76%) 4 game-winning kicks

Peyton Manning
Mike Vanderjagt 11-14 (79%) 1 game-winning kick
Adam Vinatieri 16-17 (94%) 2 game-winning kicks
Totals - 27-31 (87%) 3 game-winning kicks

Defenses have been comparable in the playoffs and the kicking game has been better for peyton. The biggest difference is brady throws more TD's and less picks on average in the offs(and in general). The turnovers and those points that have led directly to 5 points a game on the colts. That's not even factoring the fact that peyton has played in a dome his entire colts career with Mostly better weapons at the skill position


Peyton is an all time great....Tom has just been better

 

[Trip]

Its hard to argue at this point anymore...

Manning finally had to play in the elements yesterday and his arm looked shot.

 

[Codeine Bryant]

Brady is 9-1 when posting a rating over 90.

Manning is 4-4 when doing the same.

This right here makes no sense. Are you attempting to say that Manning is inferior to Brady and use a stat that basically says "when they both play well, Brady wins more often!!" So wait, they both post ratings of +90, and Brady has a better record, so he's automatically the better QB??

If anything, this statistic is an indictment as to how much help Brady has when he plays well as opposed to Peyton. You basically just said "when Peyton Manning plays on Tom Brady's level, his team still loses games," which is the equivalent of blaming the rest of his team for his shytty record...

Brady's team when he posts ratings of 90 and better can win ballgames
Manning's team when he posts ratings of 90 and better can't win those same ballgames


I'm not necessarily saying that Peyton is better or that Brady isn't good, but some of you guys have the dumbest ways to try and articulate a stance in a discussion.

 

[Stone]

Brady had the Tuck Rule, but Manning and his crew went crying to the league about the Patriots roughing their punk ass receivers.

Brady had some great defenses in his early SB wins and that's the reason Peyton doesn't have more than one ring right? Last year I remember the Patriots having the 30/31st rated D and taking them to a Superbowl.

This fakkit Manning has all of these MVPs and yet doesn't seem to perform at a MVP level in the playoffs. Should prolly have taken his talents to South Beach...it worked for Lebron.

rankings in the regular season are meaningless when it comes to the playoffs. See #2 ranked Denver D giving up 28 points including 2 scores in less than 2 minutes. Colts were like 20 something the year they won the SB but they stepped up in the playoffs.

Well I take that back, it's not meaningless, but it doesn't necessarily dictate the kind of performance that you're going to have. to Brady though.

 

[JLova]

in 9 of his 10 playoff loses with Indy Peyton failed to put up 20

2010 = 17-16 L to the Jets
2009 = 31-17 L to the Saints
2008 = 23-17 L to the Chargers
2005 = 21-18 L to the Steelers
2004 = 20-3 L to the Pats
2003 = 24-14 L to the Pats
2002 = 41-0 L to the Jets
2000 = 23-17 L to the Dolphins
1999 = 19-16 L to the Titans

just wanted to throw this out there since people tend to blame Indys D for alot of his playoff loses

Have you looked at Brady's game? They're about even. What this has to do with the D is beyond me.

 

[MikeBrownsJob]

I know I get on Pats fans when it comes to Brady being overrated, but one thing that is clear is that I'd take him over Peyton with no hesitation.

Tom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peyton man. The chokes are rediculous...even in college.

Tee Martin threw 2 touchdowns to Peyton's 1

 

[Savior]

Brady= 0 rings when he doesn't know your plays. He got outplayed by ELi twice in the SB. He got outplayed by Flacco in the AFC championship game last year too. Its funny that the same people that shyt on Bonds, Clemens, McGwire are the same people that praise Brady and the cheating ass Patriots. Haven't won shyt since they got caught cheating!

let me get this straight...you're bringing up Flacco outplaying Brady in a LOSS one day after he outplayed Manning in a win. Consider me enlightened

 

[HNIC973]

nikkaz refuse to give Brady credit shyt is pathetic. The bottom line he is the best QB this generation period

 

[BLAZO da GAWD]

i've yet to hear one legitimate argument from a Seyton stan on why he's better than Brady historically...

all i keep reading are attempts to discredit Brady saying he isn't better for x,y,z reason, that then gets refuted by a knowledgeable poster a couple posts later

 

[jetflyinglimousineriding]

Its hard to argue at this point anymore...

Manning finally had to play in the elements yesterday and his arm looked shot.

Manning has played playoff games in cold weather elements before and wasn't as good either. The argument people were making was that his regular season numbers were skewed because he played in a dome, which he proved false in the regular season this year playing at DEN