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[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

This is not a valid argument. The debate is between Toni and Mary, not Laface and Uptwon.

Uptown being bigger culturally than Laface does not prove that more black people listened to Mary over Toni.

mary over toni is the prime example.

The question in my perspective is very simple; was Mary J more listened to than Toni among black people. That's it.

CLEARLY.

i cant believe youre even trying to make an argument about this.

In my experience growing up. Mary had the youth. No doubt. The adults were splitted. The young adults went to Mary and the higher you went, from 35, the more you found Toni's listeners.

thats not true.

mary was beasting toni in the age range that you speak of.

 

[African Peasant]

CLEARLY.

i cant believe youre even trying to make an argument about this.





thats not true.

mary was beasting toni in the age range that you speak of.

What range? 35 to 65? Ok. You have to prove it. Saying it is not enough.

I'm not saying it's not true, but you have to prove it.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

What range? 35 to 65? Ok. You have to prove it. Saying it is not enough.

I'm not saying it's not true, but you have to prove it.

LOL.

youre the one that needs to prove your argument. not me.

youre the one in here looking crazy.

what have you proven in your posts??

 

[BmoreGorilla]

Its funny how some of y’all think Faith and Toni would be god matchups for Mary when Faith vs Toni would actually be the good matchup. Mary would wash both of them

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Its funny how some of y’all think Faith and Toni would be god matchups for Mary when Faith vs Toni would actually be the good matchup. Mary would wash both of them

yea
no way toni would risk her legacy on that battle, but song for song, it would be a great matchup.

i think @African Peasant is underestimating mary's reach. his description of mary matches somebody like ashanti.

 

[African Peasant]

LOL.

youre the one that needs to prove your argument. not me.

youre the one in here looking crazy.

what have you proven in your posts??

I say I doubt Mary was bigger than Toni among black people. That was the initial claim I refuted.

You're the one claiming not only that she was bigger than Toni among black people, but you're even giving a specific age range where she was bigger. It's up to you to prove that.

I only made two affirmations regarding Toni:

1) she was bigger in general than Mary in the 90's; sales prove it.

2) Toni was a cultural household. Everybody knew her music and her short hair.

yea
no way toni would risk her legacy on that battle, but song for song, it would be a great matchup.

i think @African Peasant is underestimating mary's reach. his description of mary matches somebody like ashanti.

Where did you get that from?

Cmon fam.

I gave Mary her props.

I ain't try to shyt on Mary.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

I say I doubt Mary was bigger than Toni among black people. That was the initial claim I refuted.

You're the one claiming not only that she was bigger than Toni among black people, but you're even giving a specific age range where she was bigger. It's up to you to prove that.

I only made two affirmations regarding Toni:

1) she was bigger in general than Mary in the 90's; sales prove it.

2) Toni was a cultural household. Everybody knew her music and her short hair.

Come on breh you know damn well in a social setting with black folks you always heard more Mary getting played than Toni. The reason I know you know this is becuz you keep trying to down play her. How many times have you brought up that Mary had the hip hop audience too? That only proves my point that Mary was more popular with black people

 

[African Peasant]

Come on breh you know damn well in a social setting with black folks you always heard more Mary getting played than Toni. The reason I know you know this is becuz you keep trying to down play her. How many times have you brought up that Mary had the hip hop audience too? That only proves my point that Mary was more popular with black people

How is bringing up the fact that Mary had the Hip-Hop audience on lock downplaying her? I'm just being specific. Some people tend to mix the Hip-Hop demo and black people in general. It's globally true today. It was not true in the 90's. The 90's are an interesting era. It's the last era when there still was a sizeable non Hip-Hop orientated black demo, even among young adults

Me, my friends, and our older brothers did not listen to Toni. But we played the hell out of Mary, because her music was 'cooler', more Hip-Hop friendly. But was that domination present among the general black crowd, not just the younger, cooler crowd? I don't know. Personaly I never witnessed it. As I said previously, as far as i remember, it depended on the crowd; in some places Mary was more loved, in some other Toni was more favored.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

I say I doubt Mary was bigger than Toni among black people.
Where did you get that from?
Cmon fam.
I gave Mary her props.
I ain't try to shyt on Mary.

you keep trying to push the narrative that mary j was just a hip-hop singer, and just for the youth.

downplaying like a champ.

I say I doubt Mary was bigger than Toni among black people. That was the initial claim I refuted.

You're the one claiming not only that she was bigger than Toni among black people, but you're even giving a specific age range where she was bigger. It's up to you to prove that.

I only made two affirmations regarding Toni:

1) she was bigger in general than Mary in the 90's; sales prove it.

2) Toni was a cultural household. Everybody knew her music and her short hair.
Where did you get that from?
Cmon fam.
I gave Mary her props.
I ain't try to shyt on Mary.

and youve yet to PROVE that toni was bigger amongst black people than mary j.

you messed up right there in the bolded. you shouldve never used the term cultural.
an dknow, everybody doesnt know toni's music. in fact i can think of plenty of grown black folks in the '90s who didnt really follow radio & werent familiar with toni's music like that but knew all about that 411 tape.

Come on breh you know damn well in a social setting with black folks you always heard more Mary getting played than Toni. The reason I know you know this is becuz you keep trying to down play her. How many times have you brought up that Mary had the hip hop audience too? That only proves my point that Mary was more popular with black people

yep and alot of these social settings, BBQs and such would be thrown together by adults. that 35 & over crowd that @African Peasant thinks braxton had over mary.

 

[African Peasant]

yep and alot of these social settings, BBQs and such would be thrown together by adults. that 35 & over crowd that @African Peasant thinks braxton had over mary.

Can you prove this?

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Can you prove this?

ive been to tons of em in the '90s.

 

[Buck Seventy]

I think there's two or three debates going on. One is which singer was more popular in the 90s, which singer was more popular amongst blacks, and who had the better catalog. I wasn't in my 30s in the nineties so I can't say who was more popular than between Mary J and Toni in that age group.

 

[Youseenmywork]

 

[Flawdaboi]

depends on the listener.. depends on the ears discerning the music. a lot of my casual music/consumers friends don’t get it either, but like I said musicians and vocalists/singers hear things different. It’s a reason why most of the RnB singers/vocalists or music producers praised and showered brandy with love for her vocal influence and contribution to the style of the genre during that time. You saw it throughout the verzuz. some ppl jus listen to what they like.. different strokes..

Facts some people review music and just play it...

Others LISTEN to music and all the other shyt, such as:
This sistah caught EVERYTHING in the new Jazmine sullivan song and went in-depth with the detail... i guess its a singer/lover of the small thing vibe. That mimic run at 5:18 is fire

 

[Flawdaboi]

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nikkas in here trying LOL...

Brandy>>>>>

Yall "monica can sing better" folks, find me other artists bigging up her vocals like that or even saying she inspired them to write/become singers. Bc i can pull up TONS for brandy