Brandy Verzuz Monica *Poll Added*

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

These numbers are absolutely INSANE

 

[Ziggiy]

I was reading through this thread and saw some comments about Monica’s demeanor and I just want to say that I saw her live before and she acts the same way. I don’t know if she’s just stuck up or what but she is very dry in concert. She has a great voice but her stage presence is very blah. Not surprised many others felt that way about the versus. That’s part of the reason I wasn’t all that interested. I knew it wouldn’t be like Erykah and Jill.

Its funny because this chick i’m talking to said the opposite. Said she met Monica at a Meet & Greet backstage and she was super nice and sweet to her.


I guess it really just depends on the night and time. Celebrities are humans just like us and they have their good and bad days.


Only thing about this Versuz was it wss olanned ahead of time so I don’t know why Monica acted so stank about it when she really didn’t have to agree to it in the first place

 

[spliz]

Faith vs Mary. Run it up.

Mary washing Faith y’all gotta chill wit this, Mary gotta go against Janet or Mariah.

 

[Chelsea Bridge]

Its funny because this chick i’m talking to said the opposite. Said she met Monica at a Meet & Greet backstage and she was super nice and sweet to her.


I guess it really just depends on the night and time. Celebrities are humans just like us and they have their good and bad days.


Only thing about this Versuz was it wss olanned ahead of time so I don’t know why Monica acted so stank about it when she really didn’t have to agree to it in the first place

She probably was. I’m speaking about her performance though. I’m sure if I had met her she would have been very nice as well, but she just isn’t very animated on stage. She’s very dry. The concert was boring, lol.

Just imagine if Monica was doing her own concert live... I can guarantee most people would have had to force themselves to stay interested waiting for her to sing their favorite songs, lol.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Mary washing Faith y’all gotta chill wit this, Mary gotta go against Janet or Mariah.

20 songs.

 

[JustCKing]

I get that there was Faith/Mary rivalry, but you could make three solid lists of 20 Mary songs without repeating songs that would still beat Faith's 20. One of Faith's classic collaborations features background vocals from Mary ("One More Chance" remix). Yes, Faith has a very solid 20 in:

1. You Used To Love Me
2. Soon As I Get Home
3. Ain't Nobody
4. Kissing You (from Waiting To Exhale)
5. I'll Be Missin You
6. You're Nobody Til Somebody Kills You
7. Love Like This
8. All Night Long
9. Never Gonna Let You Go
10. Georgie Porgie (w/Eric Benet)
11. You Gets No Love
12. I Love You
13. Can't Believe
14. Burning Up/Burning Up remix
15. Hope
16. Again
17. Mesmerized
18. Heartbreak Hotel
19. Love Is Blind (her feature on the Eve song)
20. How's It Goin Down (additional vocals on X's song)

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

I get that there was Faith/Mary rivalry, but you could make three solid lists of 20 Mary songs without repeating songs that would still beat Faith's 20.

THIS

this is also why i dont understand this board's infactuation with the krayzie bone/dj paul battle because they used to have beef. bone needs to be battling a bigger group than 3-6 mafia.

i would like to see faith battle keyshia cole.
or maybe kelly price. cuz price got alot of cheat codes.

mary is bodying any chick in the galaxy. bey, rih, all of em. her first three albums is arguably the best three album run of any artist of our lifetime. not just great albums, but you remember relationships and shyt listening to those songs. and thats before she made the mainstream hits. features, remixes...a song like sincerity is one of my fav mary joints ever and it prolly doesnt even make her 20. just not a fair battle for her out there.

yea.

none of these modern-day chicks is seeing mary.

the idea battle for mary j would be r.kelly.
that right thur is the battle of all battles.

I'm damn near 40. Ginuwine not washing Usher in a Verzuz, bro. And I fukks w Ginuwine's music.

when you gotta bring your age up out the blue, that usually means that youre not really sure about yourself.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

this the stupid chit we talembout.

buddy aint mention one thing about music in this post.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Don’t even pay attention to him. He’s been railing against Aaliyah presenting his own skewed personal feelings as fact since SOHH days.

tag me when you speak on me, coward.

and i posted none of my "feelings". YOURE the one trying to pass off your opinions as fact.

hence the reason why you make off-brand comments with no tags, while having no legs to support your argument.

I don"t see how selling out arenas last year is the determining factor on who was a cultural household in the 90's.

Mary J is bigger than Toni right now, but she wasn't in the 90's. When it comes to the 90's, Toni is bigger.

this post is ass-backwards.

lol @ toni braxton ever being culturally bigger than mary j blige at any point.

That's the only difference. It's Mary Hip-Hop ft. That's it. Not enough to smash.

You're looking at strictly from a Hip-Hop perspective.

from a strictly r&b perspective, mary j trashes toni braxton.
toni would never do this battle.

now you could make that case for somebody like mariah.
i remember toni being hotter than mariah in '90s r&b, and if it wasnt for mariah's hip-hop stuff, toni would be able to take her in a verzus.

i'll throw you that bone, but you buggin with the mary j chit.

I go to the poll and y’all saying Brandy won
The coli is really an alternate reality
Y’all DIFFERENT.

yea its crazy

monica's set got the better reception in real life.
but i come back in here today and see that brandy won the coli poll by more than a landslide.

alot of it has to do with most of the people in here being sexually frustrated and hating monica personally.

this place is the pits.

NE v. Boyz II Men made the same type of music but B2M did it way better. I love Jodeci but do they have the catalog for 20 songs?

huh??

only time boyz ii men was similar to new edition, was when boyz ii men were under michael bivins.

Any guys that's complaining about Monica's attitude might be homosexual, y'all in here using the word stank lol

Last 20 years brandy songs was not better than Monica's

Ya'll really sicing lol all this fake love for brandy, wasn't nobody talking about her new album before Monday night now people like that joint tight

And to be honest I don't remember bytches playing brandy's aphrodisiac or that full moon album

cosign all this.

 

[African Peasant]

this post is ass-backwards.

lol @ toni braxton ever being culturally bigger than mary j blige at any point.

I never said she was 'culturally' bigger. I said she was bigger, which is a fact we all can objectively observe thru sales.
When you say culturally bigger, I assume it means bigger among black people. Correct me if I'm wrong. The world culture is not clear so people use to say close but different things.

I know Mary was bigger among the Hip-Hop population for obvious reasons, but were she bigger than Toni among black people in general? I doubt it. But I'm ready to change my tune if someone brings receipts.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

I never said she was 'culturally' bigger. I said she was bigger, which is a fact we all can objectively observe thru sales.
When you say culturally bigger, I assume it means bigger among black people. Correct me if I'm wrong. The world culture is not clear so people use to say close but different things.

I know Mary was bigger among the Hip-Hop population for obvious reasons, but were she bigger than Toni among black people in general? I doubt it. But I'm ready to change my tune if someone brings receipts.

you used the term "cultural household" in the post i quoted.

and you keep trying to say mary was only bigger in hip-hop. NO BRO. she was bigger with black people in general.
outside of boughie black folks, the only black crowd toni had over mary was the grandmas that still followed current music. and even with the grannies, mary eventually passed toni in the '00s, you could say.

The importance of what song you choose to go up against another song cant be understated.

I thought "Brokenhearted" was a layup for Brandy, but it lost to "Love All Over Me", which is baffling.

thats because "love all over me" is a much better song.

that chit was epic.

 

[African Peasant]

you used the term "cultural household" in the post i quoted.

and you keep trying to say mary was only bigger in hip-hop. NO BRO. she was bigger with black people in general.
outside of boughie black folks, the only black crowd toni had over mary was the grandmas that still followed current music. and even with the grannies, mary eventually passed toni in the '00s, you could say.


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You can't say bigger OUTSIDE... Those people are black...

Growing up I never had the impression that Mary was bigger than Toni among black people. In fact, it depended on the demographic. Like you said, a lot of bougie or wanna be bougie folks were frontin on Mary and were more in tune with Toni "classier" or orthodox music. The same thing with older cats and women.

The segments where it was clear that Mary had the edge was the youth and the Hip-Hop listeners which in the 90's started to be the same.

So saying that Mary was bigger than Toni among black people in the 90's is debatable, to say the least. In the 00's, it's clear Mary took the crown. She was bigger than Toni. Before that, I'm not sure. A lot of people do anachronism: they project the 00's realties' in the 90's.


Yeah, Toni was a cultural household in the 90's. She was a big name in black pop culture. The same for Mary.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

You can't say bigger OUTSIDE... Those people are black...

Growing up I never had the impression that Mary was bigger than Toni among black people. In fact, it depended on the demographic. Like you said, a lot of bougie or wanna be bougie folks were frontin on Mary and were more in tune with Toni "classier" or orthodox music. The same thing with older cats and women.

The segments where it was clear that Mary had the edge was the youth and the Hip-Hop listeners which in the 90's started to be the same.

So saying that Mary was bigger than Toni among black people in the 90's is debatable, to say the least. In the 00's, it's clear Mary took the crown. She was bigger than Toni. Before that, I'm not sure. A lot of people do anachronism: they project the 00's realties' in the 90's.


Yeah, Toni was a cultural household in the 90's. She was a big name in black pop culture. The same for Mary.

the bougie vote doesnt have much of an impact culturally.

mary j didnt just have the youth. she also had the adults over toni as well. you know theres a whole generation between kids & grandparents right? thats the generation that counted the most actually.

its not even debatable. LA Reid is on record himself saying that Uptown was bigger than Laface culturally. LOL. and mary was the crown jewel of uptown records. WHAT ARE WE EVEN ARGUING HERE??

 

[Flawdaboi]

Did you hear her singing A Change Gonna Come live



Her versatility is INSANE

fukk that.. The live on the spot adlibs! Key changes, in pitch modulations......

I've learn to not take (people who aren't/havent worked along side the pros) opinions serious!
Some nikka on the internet: "Kobe, was alright"
Pros: "Kobe was a beast and one of my favorites"

Some nikka on the internet: "Brandy, is alright monica sings waaaay better"
Pros: "Brandy was/is one of the most copied/inspiring singers of our time".
"all these youngins are doing her runs"
"She's truly a vocal bible"

 

[African Peasant]

the bougie vote doesnt have much of an impact culturally.

mary j didnt just have the youth. she also had the adults over toni as well. you know theres a whole generation between kids & grandparents right? thats the generation that counted the most actually.

its not even debatable. LA Reid is on record himself saying that Uptown was way bigger than Laface culturally. LOL. and mary was the crown jewel of uptown records. WHAT ARE WE EVEN ARGUING HERE??

What do you call an impact culturally? It's very vague.

The question in my perspective is very simple; was Mary J more listened to than Toni among black people. That's it.

mary j didnt just have the youth. she also had the adults over toni as well. you know theres a whole generation between kids & grandparents right? thats the generation that counted the most actually.

Can you prove the bolded?

Implying that only black grandma listened to Toni is not true.

In my experience growing up. Mary had the youth. No doubt. The adults were splitted. The young adults went to Mary and the higher you went, from 35, the more you found Toni's listeners. Of course, young people are the face of the culture, the more young listeners you have, the more you're "relevant" you're. But it does not mean that people listen or like you more. It's just that you have the more vocal segment of the population.

I might be wrong. But I have yet to see a proof of Mary's domination over Toni among black people in general in the 90's.

As I said before, If you look at the RnB charts, Mary and Toni had basically the same amount of top 10 hits. RnB charts are not a definitive proof of anything but they tell at least a part of the story.

The contrast with the 2000's is telling. In the 00's, Mary domination among black people is not contested and is clear as crystal.

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its not even debatable. LA Reid is on record himself saying that Uptown was way bigger than Laface culturally. LOL. and mary was the crown jewel of uptown records. WHAT ARE WE EVEN ARGUING HERE??

This is not a valid argument. The debate is between Toni and Mary, not Laface and Uptwon.

Uptown being bigger culturally than Laface does not prove that more black people listened to Mary over Toni.