BREAKING: Deal to end government shutdown in reach. Democrats caving? Only asking for a PROMISE of a vote for ACA Tax credits.

[Ozymandeas]

You know this ain’t entertainment right? Millions are adversely affected and will spiral further down the drain the longer this goes on? Do you live in the states?

He wants other people to go without their paychecks and their food stamps. That’s a sacrifice he’s willing to make

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

I live in a red state and comfortably make six figures. This will not affect me.

Exactly… Don’t affect me either.. but I have plenty of family and friends that it does effect… and being out the past 2 weekends volunteering at food banks, giveaways, etc… it was an extreme reminder that nikkas ain’t gon be shyt in this country without a strong community… A lot of people saying I got mine, but you other nikkas gotta fend for yourselves…. I need my team to let they nuts hang and stretch this out a whole year until we get to midterms….damn them old folks and children…

 

[desjardins]

You don't think there is also a timing consideration with midterms right around the corner?

The next ACA vote is 11 months before the mid terms
According to the stats Dems are sharing 50K more people could be dead by the midterms if the ACA extensions don't get voted in
That's if we even get fair elections in solidly Red States for the midterm

 

[Controversy]

The next ACA vote is 11 months before the mid terms
According to the stats Dems are sharing 50K more people could be dead by the midterms if the ACA extensions don't get voted in
That's if we even get fair elections in solidly Red States for the midterm

Remember when inflation was 7% in 2021 and 6.5% in 2022...it didn't matter that it dropped to 2.9% in an election year

Hammer home the messaging...bc affordability is a winning issue...and if ACA is not extended, affordability is still front & center

Affordability will force independents back to the center and away from the radical right

Continue making this a class issue...billionaire class vs working class

Ppl are seeing and feeling the disastrous results of GOP policies every damn day

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

The democrats who voted for it have 2 things in common with the exception of Fetterman.

1. They’re old.
2. They’re not running for re-election

 

[the cac mamba]

Since he did the unthinkable and allowed benefits to be delayed for the first time in history, that somewhat screwed the Dems' long-term plans of standing pat for the ACA credits.

i don't think people realize that the issue of ACA credits was decided in november of 2024: when the country didn't vote to keep the Dems in power Republicans were never gonna fully restore covid-era ACA subsidies. ever

the Dems should have never shut down the government for something that Republicans would NEVER have let Dems bully them into giving them, in front of the entire country. talk about a fool's errand. and there's still a negotiation over obamacare in december

 

[WIA20XX]

Remember when inflation was 7% in 2021 and 6.5% in 2022...it didn't matter that it dropped to 2.9% in an election year

To put this in perspective Let's say something cost 100 bucks before the pandemic

100 bucks in 2020
107 bucks in 2021
113 bucks in 2022
117 bucks in election year.

The average consumer is like - it was 100 bucks 4 years ago, miss me with that it only went up 4 bucks this year.

That's what a lot of these democrats, policy wonks, economists, talking heads, etc don't seem to understand.

Everything we buy on a day to day is more expensive, and usually worse.

And most of the time income isn't going up, much less with the rate of inflation.

So even if the average person thinks that 100 bucks in 2020 is now 117 bucks in 2025 - that 17% jump in pay isn't really A RAISE.

They're not doing better, People are barely treading water, and that's if they're lucky.

At no point can folks get ahead.

And it's been like that for decades.

Boomers with high school degrees, a house, couple of cars - send their kids to college - so that the kids can live an even better life - and the kids come right back to live in the basement, live over the garage, work a BS job and pay back loans that will never end.

And this is happening to kids that have CS and Engineering degrees, internships, nice looking githubs, etc. Not just art history or philosophy.

These people in charge don't realize how bad it is nor the trajectory that we're going on.

 

[Sir Richard Spirit]

It was worth fighting for but they were ultimately lost because the Dems have no power

I think it was theater

 

[AceAge]

To put this in perspective Let's say something cost 100 bucks before the pandemic

100 bucks in 2020
107 bucks in 2021
113 bucks in 2022
117 bucks in election year.

The average consumer is like - it was 100 bucks 4 years ago, miss me with that it only went up 4 bucks this year.

That's what a lot of these democrats, policy wonks, economists, talking heads, etc don't seem to understand.

Everything we buy on a day to day is more expensive, and usually worse.

And most of the time income isn't going up, much less with the rate of inflation.

So even if the average person thinks that 100 bucks in 2020 is now 117 bucks in 2025 - that 17% jump in pay isn't really A RAISE.

They're not doing better, People are barely treading water, and that's if they're lucky.

At no point can folks get ahead.

And it's been like that for decades.

Boomers with high school degrees, a house, couple of cars - send their kids to college - so that the kids can live an even better life - and the kids come right back to live in the basement, live over the garage, work a BS job and pay back loans that will never end.

And this is happening to kids that have CS and Engineering degrees, internships, nice looking githubs, etc. Not just art history or philosophy.

These people in charge don't realize how bad it is nor the trajectory that we're going on.

Peoples income have tripled since they got that first job out of school. Went from making $50k to $150k and when they sit down and look the quality of life is not really any substantively better because mostly everything is basically twice or three times as expensive as it was less than 8 years ago. So at this rate, in another ten years theyre going to have to make ~$300k a year, just to be average. That’s C-Suite or MD surgeon pay.

 

[Scustin Bieburr]

Whig Party (United States) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This is what the democrats basically are now. Progressives like Bernie Sanders are independents that caucus with the democratic party.

Just like the Whigs failed to answer the question of whether america would abolish slavery, the democrats are failing the question of whether america will tolerate white supremacy, xenophobia, and corporate domination of every aspect of human life. I predict within the next 10 years a more progressive politician than Bernie sanders will appear. He will have a ton of motion and the democrats will do EVERYTHING to torpedo him. They'll succeed and then he will leave the party and start his own. That party will then take another 10-20 years to build up strength as it starts winning in mayoral races and starts gaining motion on the state level too.

Eventually, that politician who ran will try again after the movement has built up roots in various states and its policies have proven to be more popular and successful because they actually represent the will of the electorate instead of the investor class who will NEVER be happy. Our whole political system and media is owned by and laser focused on making a small group of mentally ill people happy. If you aren't happy with 5 million dollars, you won't be happy with 10. If you aren't happy with 10M you won't be happy with 100. If you're not happy with 100M, you won't be happy with 1B, and elon musk is literally proving to the world in real time that if you aren't happy with 500 BILLION, you will STILL not be happy with 1 TRILLION. This is literally mental illness and we are continuing to placate these people instead of locking them up in mental health facilities. They don't need tax cuts, they need psychiatry and if we can't "psychologize" them like Dr. Umar said, they need to be put to sleep.

It is completely unacceptable that the third most profitable company in this country literally makes money by denying people their life saving medical care(United Health Insurance).The concept of medical debt is insane. The concept of lifelong student loan debt is insane. The idea of paying a minimum wage that isn't enough to cover the costs of a car whilst designing the city for cars is insane. Student lunch debt is insane. Arresting and deporting people who are in the process of gaining their citizenship is insane. Unconditional support of a foreign country including inviting its leader to lecture your own politicians and violate international law on your dime is INSANE. A government agency that resists and continues to fail audits(DOD) while getting unlimited funding even though 3 of the WORLD's biggest airforces are branches of the US military is insane. Doubling down on a declining natural resource that causes health problems and is actively contributing to human extinction while the rest of the world moves on to renewables is insane. All of this shyt only makes sense when you realize the people running this country and the ones whose opinions they care about are mentally unfit for their positions and that needs to change.

 

[CrimsonTider]

I think it was theater

It’s all theater until something is signed into law

 

[Chrishaune]

Peoples income have tripled since they got that first job out of school. Went from making $50k to $150k and when they sit down and look the quality of life is not really any substantively better because mostly everything is basically twice or three times as expensive as it was less than 8 years ago. So at this rate, in another ten years theyre going to have to make ~$300k a year, just to be average. That’s C-Suite or MD surgeon pay.

They are never going to let you get ahead in their system......

 

[num123]

Whig Party (United States) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This is what the democrats basically are now. Progressives like Bernie Sanders are independents that caucus with the democratic party.

Just like the Whigs failed to answer the question of whether america would abolish slavery, the democrats are failing the question of whether america will tolerate white supremacy, xenophobia, and corporate domination of every aspect of human life. I predict within the next 10 years a more progressive politician than Bernie sanders will appear. He will have a ton of motion and the democrats will do EVERYTHING to torpedo him. They'll succeed and then he will leave the party and start his own. That party will then take another 10-20 years to build up strength as it starts winning in mayoral races and starts gaining motion on the state level too.

Eventually, that politician who ran will try again after the movement has built up roots in various states and its policies have proven to be more popular and successful because they actually represent the will of the electorate instead of the investor class who will NEVER be happy. Our whole political system and media is owned by and laser focused on making a small group of mentally ill people happy. If you aren't happy with 5 million dollars, you won't be happy with 10. If you aren't happy with 10M you won't be happy with 100. If you're not happy with 100M, you won't be happy with 1B, and elon musk is literally proving to the world in real time that if you aren't happy with 500 BILLION, you will STILL not be happy with 1 TRILLION. This is literally mental illness and we are continuing to placate these people instead of locking them up in mental health facilities. They don't need tax cuts, they need psychiatry and if we can't "psychologize" them like Dr. Umar said, they need to be put to sleep.

It is completely unacceptable that the third most profitable company in this country literally makes money by denying people their life saving medical care(United Health Insurance).The concept of medical debt is insane. The concept of lifelong student loan debt is insane. The idea of paying a minimum wage that isn't enough to cover the costs of a car whilst designing the city for cars is insane. Student lunch debt is insane. Arresting and deporting people who are in the process of gaining their citizenship is insane. Unconditional support of a foreign country including inviting its leader to lecture your own politicians and violate international law on your dime is INSANE. A government agency that resists and continues to fail audits(DOD) while getting unlimited funding even though 3 of the WORLD's biggest airforces are branches of the US military is insane. Doubling down on a declining natural resource that causes health problems and is actively contributing to human extinction while the rest of the world moves on to renewables is insane. All of this shyt only makes sense when you realize the people running this country and the ones whose opinions they care about are mentally unfit for their positions and that needs to change.

Why is the onus on Democrats on being the "saviors" and not the fukking reprehensible Republicans and the people who vote for them and not vote? Why in the face of massive racism, classism, sexism from one source the blame is being laid on the party that is not in power?

People were told by Republicans what they would do if they got elected, on how they would fukk them over and in 2 out of the last 3 presidential elections they have won, not even counting the midterms. At this point you can not even blame Republicans for their evil because they are very open and honest about it, the American people are at fault.

You expect the same people that either vote against their interests, or do not vote time and time again to somehow magically have an awakening and change up? The same people complaining about the same shyt that the people they elected do to them? The same people that complain about politicians but can not even be bothered to vote in primaries for good people, or even vote at all? Plenty of progressives and leftist candidates have ran but because people do not actually vote they rarely win, so what is going to change now?

All of this blaming Democrats talk is pointless and harmful because the main issue that has plagued the American public is the American voter. No matter how weak or "centrist" you think establishment Democrats are, they would be infinitely better than the party with full power. Fight the centrists when it comes to the primaries but when you are faced with a destructive force like the Republicans, stop all of the bullshyt and make sure they do not win.

 

[The Phoenix]

So how long are they going to shutdown the government in January before they fold?

They should do what they have to now.

Y’all need to stop excusing weakness.

Not excusing anything. Just telling you what's going on. If you don't wanna know don't read it and don't quote me.

 

[Rollie Forbes]