BREAKING: Deal to end government shutdown in reach. Democrats caving? Only asking for a PROMISE of a vote for ACA Tax credits.

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Say what you want about Pelosi, when it came to votes she kept her ppl in check :hubie:

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Thinking back on her legacy, she ruled with an iron fist. Not saying she’s right, but she had enough capital to not allow her people to break.
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Like Breh said above, at the end of the day people have to eat. Lose, lose for Dems. Should have waited until they won the mid terms.
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It sucks. Millions of people are affected by what these people are doing. In a sense of cutting benefits, those people who the dems are fighting for might not be worth it in the big picture.
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Govt sucks.
 

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The reality is that this was a lose-lose situation for the Dems no matter what. If they didn't cave and the GOP/Trump removed the filibuster, healthcare costs and cuts would've happened regardless. Keeping the government shutdown while millions of people starve indefinitely was not an option for the Democrats, even in the name of healthcare subsidies, etc.

They weren't gonna stand by and let that happen for long, I feel like a lot of us just wanted the Dems to stand still to be, understandly, a$$holes to Trump and Republicans just for the sake of it, and hey I don't blame the sentiment but regardless, there's nothing Dems could've done to pressure Trump and 'em to fold. For that to have happened, it'd require one or two things, having a conscience, which Republicans clearly don't have one, and two, at the very least, Dems having 50% of the power in Congress, otherwise you'd been wasting time more trying to guilt them into submitting to signing the ACA credits while people potentially go without critical food assistance.

So while yes, it was nice to see Dems stand up to the GOP/Trump, in reality, that was only going to be effective for so long until things get out of hand, which has already started to happen.

As I stated, in October when the shutdown occurred, shyt didn't hit the fan as much because people were still receiving their SNAP benefits, and federal workers, although they had taken a hit, financially they'd be able to manage for that time, but once November 1st came, that's when shyt hit the fan. This strategy was a lost cause, and sorry to say, was nothing more than putting on a perception and image of being “standing tough/fighting against Trump/MAGA/Republicans” but nothing more or less.

For all we know, none of this may or may not have any bearing on the midterms, let alone the '28 election, shyt could turn out to be a non-factor. I'm not sure why some of y'all are being delusional thinking that the Democrats could've matched Trump and 'em energy, letting this shutdown extend into December, next year, January, February, etc, and think people suffering from not being paid, and millions of people's families and vulnerable individuals continue to suffer in sadness not knowing if they're going to have food as their hunger and livelihoods are being used for political gain by the President and his administration wasn't going to be a factor in the Dems deciding to cave.

I get it, when one isn't affected by the suffering and whatnot, it's easy for them to sit there and campaign for the shyt (shutdown) to continue because they're going to bed with a full stomach and receiving paychecks from their employer, etc that they get lost in the sauce, forgetting how other people aren't as safeguarded as you in these situations.

It's tone deaf and delusional to think this could've somehow gone the distance in Democrats' favor outside of perception but who are you trying to convince, most of the Democratic base is on lock, most of MAGA ain't being swayed no other way, and non-voters, well situations like this this could either make them more engaged to vote or simply become more apthatic.
Bullshyt. If giving up was inevitable, they shouldn't have picked the fight.

Tuesday's election showed the people were willing to fight and were correctly blaming the GOP. GOP Senators were in a fight over the filibuster.

Now the Dems own the shutdown completely and got NOTHING for it. Nothing at all. 40 days down the drain and completely neutered election momentum.
 

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Why would I ask Trump that? So if it’s 6 months… you’d be fine with that?
You’d ask him that because he’s the president and controls most of the government :dahell:

Democrats are doing exactly what Republicans have done, except they knew they had to do what was needed to keep America functioning as best they could…compromised. If Trump doesnt realize that then fukk it
 

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That's the thing, man..they DON'T have to do anything in December. It's a pinky swear, and Mike Johnson already said he wouldn't promise bringing it to a vote if it did pass the Senate. So it's just symbolic so Dems can say they tried, but it won't matter cause the average voter will probably forget, won't care or will ignore why this is all happening a year from now.

They haven't officially caved yet, the vote is today so we'll see tho.
This is why blaming Democrats is retarded shyt: the voter has been and for the foreseeable future will always be the problem. If after all of this you have no real smoke for Republicans and will either vote for them or no one, then you are an idiot and beyond saving.
 
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That's the thing, man..they DON'T have to do anything in December. It's a pinky swear, and Mike Johnson already said he wouldn't promise bringing it to a vote if it did pass the Senate. So it's just symbolic so Dems can say they tried, but it won't matter cause the average voter will probably forget, won't care or will ignore why this is all happening a year from now.

They haven't officially caved yet, the vote is today so we'll see tho.
What they are signing today is only the CR. Go google continuing resolution. It's only good until January and they will have to vote again. If they don't vote on the ACA subsidies in December, the senate is going to filibuster again in January and the government will be shutdown again. If they do vote and it passes the Senate and Mike Johnson doesn't allow it on the House floor Senate Dems will filibuster (shutdown) again in January. Either way, it's going to get voted on or there will be another shutdown. We'll see if Mike Johnson continues to play chicken when he's faced with a second shutdown. Especially if they actually have a vote in the Senate.

Keep in mind that Republicans don't want to vote on the ACA subsidies because it will be clear that they are the ones that take them away when they vote against them. That is going to be a real problem come midterms. People always say "Americans won't remember....". They do indeed remember. It happens all the time. That's a good part of the reason Dems don't hold the House now.
 
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Glad i was able to provide clarity:respect:
Yeah I’ve been said the Dems underestimation was a mistake. I never said the Dems are without fault here… I’m saying a majority of the blame goes on the people who voted for this twice, and the current admin. At the end of the day, the majority of people voted this guy and the administration in despite it not working out the first time. It’s like people who run back to their exes knowing they got done dirty the first time.

All of this despite the fact that economist said his plans were trash. Despite having thoughts of a plan on healthcare. But no one batted an eye then? No one said, even though I may not like either candidate, this one will speed rush us to economic collapse?
 

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Is Schumer not in the senate?


Of course you don’t blame Tim Kaine he only ran directly against Trump and everything Trump stands for.

Schumer mistake was lining up the democrats who he knew wouldn’t need votes next go round.



Like always, the democrats, faced a problem and wanted the whole country to back them, only for them to walk away:yeshrug:

Your exact words:

Jeffries’s and Schumer acting like they didn’t organize this vote. These people were hand selected to vote for this bill.



Schumer nor Jeffries support the deal...Schumer didn't organize the vote either

This is politics!

And as someone who once worked in partnership with local, state and federal governments, you have no idea what goes into political strategy, policymaking and communication.
 

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Your exact words:

Jeffries’s and Schumer acting like they didn’t organize this vote. These people were hand selected to vote for this bill.


Schumer nor Jeffries support the deal...Schumer didn't organize the vote either

This is politics!

And as someone who once worked in partnership with local, state and federal governments, you have no idea what goes into political strategy, policymaking and communication.
Nah, I think Schumer was behind this shyt 100%. The few that flipped are either not up reelection next year or retiring (or don't care - Fetterman). He just voted no for optics since they had enough that flipped to get it through.
 

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House GOP is coming back to DC.

The House Dems have largely stayed in DC all throughout the shutdown.


Republicans now got to come back from all their ballroom parties they’ve had over the last month:





That’s who you’re negotiating with so of course they want to keep the shutdown going. That’s who Democrats folded against smfh.

The government shutdowns to them are a vacation, people think they’re against shutdowns are crazy. They want more shutdowns.

The fact they can’t put these people in their place is so fukking sad right now.
 
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