BREAKING: Deal to end government shutdown in reach. Democrats caving? Only asking for a PROMISE of a vote for ACA Tax credits.

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There is no if, it's guaranteed. That is the problem.

You either starve now or starve later.

Well then people eventually starve. It'll be squarely on the repubs when they do. I'm guessing the point of this whole shutdown was the bring national attention to what the Repubs' intent. Their voters must know that when benefits are loss, it's because of who they voted for. Moms always said: "Who don't hear, must feel!" before she whooped my ass. :russ:
 

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This is basically conceding that Republicans now have a nuclear option whenever they have control during government shutdowns :francis:
They can just weaponize SNAP funding and basically get anything they want passed
I said it earlier but the worst thing to me about them caving with getting nothing is that it just really just gives Trump the green light to do whatever the fukk the next 3 years with no actual pushback. He already had it since he been :piss:on laws anyway but them blinking first here just guarantees it so :manny: .
 

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The reality is that this was a lose-lose situation for the Dems no matter what. If they didn't cave and the GOP/Trump removed the filibuster, healthcare costs and cuts would've happened regardless. Keeping the government shutdown while millions of people starve indefinitely was not an option for the Democrats, even in the name of healthcare subsidies, etc.

They weren't gonna stand by and let that happen for long, I feel like a lot of us just wanted the Dems to stand still to be, understandly, a$$holes to Trump and Republicans just for the sake of it, and hey I don't blame the sentiment but regardless, there's nothing Dems could've done to pressure Trump and 'em to fold. For that to have happened, it'd require one or two things, having a conscience, which Republicans clearly don't have one, and two, at the very least, Dems having 50% of the power in Congress, otherwise you'd been wasting time more trying to guilt them into submitting to signing the ACA credits while people potentially go without critical food assistance.

So while yes, it was nice to see Dems stand up to the GOP/Trump, in reality, that was only going to be effective for so long until things get out of hand, which has already started to happen.

As I stated, in October when the shutdown occurred, shyt didn't hit the fan as much because people were still receiving their SNAP benefits, and federal workers, although they had taken a hit, financially they'd be able to manage for that time, but once November 1st came, that's when shyt hit the fan. This strategy was a lost cause, and sorry to say, was nothing more than putting on a perception and image of being “standing tough/fighting against Trump/MAGA/Republicans” but nothing more or less.

For all we know, none of this may or may not have any bearing on the midterms, let alone the '28 election, shyt could turn out to be a non-factor. I'm not sure why some of y'all are being delusional thinking that the Democrats could've matched Trump and 'em energy, letting this shutdown extend into December, next year, January, February, etc, and think people suffering from not being paid, and millions of people's families and vulnerable individuals continue to suffer in sadness not knowing if they're going to have food as their hunger and livelihoods are being used for political gain by the President and his administration wasn't going to be a factor in the Dems deciding to cave.

I get it, when one isn't affected by the suffering and whatnot, it's easy for them to sit there and campaign for the shyt (shutdown) to continue because they're going to bed with a full stomach and receiving paychecks from their employer, etc that they get lost in the sauce, forgetting how other people aren't as safeguarded as you in these situations.

It's tone deaf and delusional to think this could've somehow gone the distance in Democrats' favor outside of perception but who are you trying to convince, most of the Democratic base is on lock, most of MAGA ain't being swayed no other way, and non-voters, well situations like this this could either make them more engaged to vote or simply become more apthatic.
Excellent post, Dems had no chips to play, it was lose-lose so they had to give in


This is what happens when you have no nuts and no spine:yeshrug:
 

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My thing is the republicans were never negotiating in good faith
Lying about illegals getting benefits, disappearing when it was time to meet up and vote, weaponizing SNAP to put pressure on Dems
Considering that why the fukk would Republicans vote for the ACA extensions in December?
We might as well consider this a swap of fed workers getting their jobs back for the ACA thing to expire and it's the Republicans fault those workers got fired to begin with so.....Dems didn't really gain anything here




This is basically conceding that Republicans now have a nuclear option whenever they have control during government shutdowns :francis:
They can just weaponize SNAP funding and basically get anything they want passed

You don't think there is also a timing consideration with midterms right around the corner?

Dems simply need a cohesive message around healthcare, stabilizing SNAP, and funding social security...one party is fighting for all tree'dem

Those 3 areas will win the mid-terms...

Since Jan 20, 2025...it's been a fight to simply make it to the midterms
 

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What they are signing today is only the CR. Go google continuing resolution. It's only good until January and they will have to vote again. If they don't vote on the ACA subsidies in December, the senate is going to filibuster again in January and the government will be shutdown again. If they do vote and it passes the Senate and Mike Johnson doesn't allow it on the House floor Senate Dems will filibuster (shutdown) again in January. Either way, it's going to get voted on or there will be another shutdown. We'll see if Mike Johnson continues to play chicken when he's faced with a second shutdown. Especially if they actually have a vote in the Senate.

Keep in mind that Republicans don't want to vote on the ACA subsidies because it will be clear that they are the ones that take them away when they vote against them. That is going to be a real problem come midterms. People always say "Americans won't remember....". They do indeed remember. It happens all the time. That's a good part of the reason Dems don't hold the House now.

So how long are they going to shutdown the government in January before they fold?

They should do what they have to now.

Y’all need to stop excusing weakness.
 
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As long as Republicans would let them. Those same Republicans can justify why when mid terms roll around.

You know this ain’t entertainment right? Millions are adversely affected and will spiral further down the drain the longer this goes on? Do you live in the states?
 
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3 months minimum...dig in and stop being pussies!!!

What about the millions of people that -“are negatively impacted that won’t be able to last that long….? I think y’all are treating this like a sport as opposed to a life/death type of situation for too many people if this continues into perpetuity….
 

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They only "caved" on the CR. They still have to vote again in January. I understand the strategy though I can understand why some may disagree. You force Republicans to vote BEFORE the budget vote in January. That way when senate Republicans vote against the extended ACA subsidies in December (which they will now have to vote on as part of the negotiation that just happened) and they don't budge on them, which they won't because they are Republicans, the senate will continue the filibuster in January and the government will shutdown again. Meanwhile federal workers get paid and people can travel during the holidays.

Not sure if this will work and I'm not sure if this is the best strategy, but it's not as roll over and die as the headlines may make it seem. I mean, if Trump is faced with a second shutdown in 2 months, that's going to be a bad look for him and republicans. On top of that they'll be facing another possible shutdown again in October right before the midterm elections.

I got tired of saying this to people. They just want to froth at the mouth.
 

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You know this ain’t entertainment right? Millions are adversely affected and will spiral further down the drain the longer this goes on? Do you live in the states?
What about anything I've expressed would make you think I'm being facetious or think this is entertainment? The Republicans have openly told everyone what their mandate is. No one told the Democrats to go down this path. But to do so and cave at this point is utterly incompetent.

I live in a red state and comfortably make six figures. This will not affect me. But it does affect my cousin who works for the feds.
 
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