BREAKING: Deal to end government shutdown in reach. Democrats caving? Only asking for a PROMISE of a vote for ACA Tax credits.

[Wiseborn]

You are committed to your position so there's no point talking about this. You didnt even bother to use examples whilst ive given multiple in this thread explaining my point of view. If its easier to believe its completely on the electorate and youre willing to give a pass to politicians who won't propose meaningful policy while also attacking members of their own party who get motion from proposing policies that voters have said they want, I dont think anything will convince you otherwise.


Holy shyt dude what the fukk are you actually saying. There was literally a government jobs program it was all part of the new deal. Look man, if you dont believe that major change is possible then it is what it is.

Feel free to believe that while you watch as Republicans successfully enact their radical agenda

https://www.project2025.observer/en

Then continue to believe the shyt that allows democrats to attack progressives who want to use proven and popular policies to change people's lives while they get to sit back and take pac money as they let Republicans do what they want.

If its easier for you to believe that progressive policies are unrealistic and have no precedence in American life, again I gave multiple examples including an election that just fukking happened where a guy proposed "free bus routes and grocery stores" and won then be at peace I guess.

For me the answer is very clear. People want policies that will change their lives for the better and the precedents(Lincoln, FDR, Bernie sanders whole political career in Vermont, Obama, Trump(evil version of this) isnt enough for you to believe this is not only possible but what gets people activated to go to the polls then I cant convince you otherwise.

I can only speak for myself and I can tell you it gives me absolutely no peace to believe that the democratic party as it exists is an effective party and is meeting the needs of people even when all opinion polls of them are abysmal and their progressive candidates have gotten positive attention while their "moderates" have horrible approval ratings. If it gives you peace to blame the voters then i guess this is you protecting your peace and I wont disrupt that process for you any longer.

One other thing radical change requires radical times so you need a massive recession to the things that you want done

 

[MisterMajesty]

Im not gonna pretend like i know what an even half good idea is here. i do wonder tho,

how long till the public forget?

 

[chargers31]

 

[hood b. goode]

Luigi Mangione showed what works.

 

[Afro]

Do you want to know why we will never have a "real" third party? Because the fukking average American is an absolute idiot. Dimwitted, no agency, passive and just plain retarded when it comes to politics and frankly most things. You think people that either voted for or did not vote and allowed virulent racists that hate the poor to get into office are all of a sudden going to "see the light"? fukk out of here.

Hah, no. Hence heat death.

I don't live in their districts so that is an answer for them, but it's obvious it falls into the "Vote blue no matter who." slot. Their names are recognizable.

So I'm not sure what we are discussing if the end result will simply be the same because as you said folks be dumb and complacent. Till voting time anyway. People end up suffering a little or a lot. But the suffering will continue.

 

[num123]

Hah, no. Hence heat death.

I don't live in their districts so that is an answer for them, but it's obvious it falls into the "Vote blue no matter who." slot. Their names are recognizable.

So I'm not sure what we are discussing if the end result will simply be the same because as you said folks be dumb and complacent. Till voting time anyway. People end up suffering a little or a lot. But the suffering will continue.

That is why you focus on making as much money as you can, being financially independent/mobile and/or getting the fukk out of the U.S. because hoping people are going to wake up and not screw themselves over is a losing proposition. These are not serious people that people have been crying about, not to be depended on.

You can not even guarantee the people that were hurt by all of this will even remember by the time the elections come around, or even care enough to vote. Pointless to worry about them if they do not worry about themselves.

 

[At30wecashout]

It is the voter's fault or more accurately it is the public's fault. People are the ones that vote in politicians. People are the ones that either re-elect or put someone else in to office. That is it, simple as that.

If you are one of the fukking people crying about Pelosi, Schumer, Jefferies, etc... then ask why in the fukk do the people in their district either keep voting them in or not voting at all? Always crying about term limits but if people actually took politics serious then they would never even need to talk about limits. If you think they are not doing their job, do you know what you do? VOTE THEM THE fukk OUT!.

Pelosi has been in government since 1987 and Schumer since 1975, more than enough time for people to fukking vote them out and never let them back into office but that never happened.

Do you want to know why we will never have a "real" third party? Because the fukking average American is an absolute idiot. Dimwitted, no agency, passive and just plain retarded when it comes to politics and frankly most things. You think people that either voted for or did not vote and allowed virulent racists that hate the poor to get into office are all of a sudden going to "see the light"? fukk out of here.

Specific to the bolded, I think what people miss is a 3rd party might end up being another Democratic party but without the money backing them. Half of the reason Democrats get bogged down is trying to cater to everyone.

Do people honestly believe all Republicans want the country to burn to ash under wealth inequality? Hell no, but they FALL IN LINE and they get their share.

We get a 3rd party, folks on here gonna want reparations. Someone else is gonna want labor to be the first priority. Another person is going to want all wars to end worldwide however we can get that to happen. While we are all trying to figure out what makes sense to prioritize, someone will be arguing about the color of the fukking drapes in the meeting place. On the coli, folks argue as if everyone is politically aware. Hell, people on here argue while NOT being politically aware. Ask the fukkers who asked why Biden couldn't expand the court or why Obama wasn't more like Trump in getting shyt done. Context means little but arguing for the sake of seeming above partisanship reigns.

Do we expect the American populace who needs a major social and cultural reset to do anything but fracture themselves more 3rd parties came to national prominence? Countries that have those systems have CULTURES that support it. We toss that shyt in and we permanently lose. Folks need to run for office, take primaries seriously, and generally do more than bytch online.

 

[Gloxina]

This stupid fukker didn't even let the shyt stew long enough for Republicans to really get the full blame. Once them nikkas said no earlier this week that was your queue to do the Copland

and ride this shyt out.

It is beyond clear this shyt is done on purpose. NO ONE is this dense.

The purposely fukked this up.


America understood that the Republicans were the cause of all the problems! There was no reason to cave in!

 

[Marlow Stanfield]

The only way, and I mean the only way the Dems can spin last night's cave into a W is to go full-court press in media about the ACA vote in December. It needs to be the #1 topic everywhere. Especially now since the panic is starting to set in for millions of people. If they do this, and the GOP votes "No", the GOP is cooked.

 

[At30wecashout]

The only way, and I mean the only way the Dems can spin last night's cave into a W is to go full-court press in media about the ACA vote in December. It needs to be the #1 topic everywhere. Especially now since the panic is starting to set in for millions of people. If they do this, and the GOP votes "No", the GOP is cooked.

This. While Dems should have held out, the alternative (the votes arent in yet to open the government, they are going for a continuing resolution so a lot can happen) is that they get things back open and stay on TV telling people what is going to happen, Trump stopping snap, Republicans truly showing they were willing to let everything go to hell…they need to do that in unison. Enough damage has been done that America is in a position to listen. If they don’t go all the way, the leadership is intentionally handcuffing the party.

 

[MarcP]

Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur.bsky.social)

Let me get this straight. You folded on a guarantee that they vote for ACA subsidies in December only for them turn around and do a trial vote today and not a SINGLE republican voted Yes after you bent the knee to appease them.

What a bunch of fukking morons.

 

[chiefdogg]

I have no dog in this fight, but was this cat Charlagmane Negradamus with this one? Him and Roland gonna go back and forth the rest of the year over this

 

[UWasntThere]

So basically the last 7 weeks were a waste.

Yup. Chuck always chickens out. Him and those other 8 dusty azz democrats just sold put the entire country for nothing

 

[UWasntThere]

The only way, and I mean the only way the Dems can spin last night's cave into a W is to go full-court press in media about the ACA vote in December. It needs to be the #1 topic everywhere. Especially now since the panic is starting to set in for millions of people. If they do this, and the GOP votes "No", the GOP is cooked.

Thats literally what they were doing and its why it was working. The December vote is worthless - the dems just handed over all their leverage. Its over.

 

[Ozymandeas]

That is why you focus on making as much money as you can, being financially independent/mobile and/or getting the fukk out of the U.S. because hoping people are going to wake up and not screw themselves over is a losing proposition. These are not serious people that people have been crying about, not to be depended on.

You can not even guarantee the people that were hurt by all of this will even remember by the time the elections come around, or even care enough to vote. Pointless to worry about them if they do not worry about themselves.

I was arguing tooth and nail with dudes last year about why it was critical to put the bullshyt aside and vote for Kamala. Nikkas called me a Democratic shill. Now, a lot of these same screen names are crying about why the Dems aren't doing more You can't make this shyt up

The only way, and I mean the only way the Dems can spin last night's cave into a W is to go full-court press in media about the ACA vote in December. It needs to be the #1 topic everywhere. Especially now since the panic is starting to set in for millions of people. If they do this, and the GOP votes "No", the GOP is cooked.

I thought the same thing. Their messaging needs to be A-1. It's important that they spell it out in plain, third-grade English what they're doing because Americans are truly some of the dumbest people on Earth.