Breaking news: another terrorist attack in France (3 dead, another beheading)

[Dorian Breh]

The only punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is that they should be murdered, or crucified, or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides, or they should be imprisoned. This shall he a disgrace for them in this world, and in the Hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement. Except those who repent before you overpower them; so know that Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

— Qur'an, [Quran 5:33–34]


Get down or lay down

Who funds these extremist salafi interpretation? Saudi Arabia and their allies in USA/Israel. The Quran and the Sunnah never advocate for the killing of innocent civilians - it’s antithetical to Islam.

The fact that people misrepresent Islam for geo-political purposes is not an indictment of Islam.

People devote their entire lives studying the Quran and the Hadiths.

The book has both esoteric (Baatin) and exoteric (Zahir) meanings.

There are also significant historical contexts within the Quran that need to be understood as Allah revealed the book to the illiterate Prophet Muhammad pbuh in the form of recited poetry.

Have you read the English translation of the Quran? It’s one of the most difficult books ever written. It’s not in chronological order and the language is difficult.

Someone with an understanding of jurisprudence (Sharia or Common/CivilLaw) understands how complex it is.

This is your fellow Muslim, quoting from the Great Book directly

 

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Are these communities ghettoized because the French government made it that way? Or do they just like being around each other and don’t tolerate outsiders? Would they be open to forced re-education? Many of their religious values are inconsistent with secularism, how would one go about integrating them? Genuinely asking.

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To be honest the host nation alone has the power to dictate a narrative. European size immigrant enclaves don't have the ability to set the tone for society at large.

Personally my opinion is that you cannot disenfranchise, marginalise and ghetto-ise immigrant populations (generation after generation) and then be surprised when unity evades your societies.

When Europe actually starts to live by the morals they claim they follow, we might be better able to actually tell who the "bad guys" are.

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I am talking about giving them a stake in society.

There is a reason why Prince Harry is unlikely to hold up his local bank.

If you allow them to become stakeholders, (if you stop the [culture] wars), if you treat them as french french; the "enemy France" line becomes a much harder sell.

If you limit their opportunities in society, persist with the "us vs. them", attack their countries (in all manner of ways); the "enemy France" line becomes a much easier sell.

Racism in employment, housing, banking limits where they can live.

The problem is that as you give them more opportunity, in moribund France, you decrease the living standards and opportunities of "locals" which undermines the economic purpose of having a servile, "flexible" underclass in the first place.

Brehs were brought to America for many reasons including that they were readily identifiable as the "underclass". They could not escape and blend into groups of free locals as native americans sometimes could.

For these societies to function you need an underclass and one such ideal underclass is one that is "different". There is no "incentive" for them to be like the other locals. The layering of society works better if they are "different" or perceived as being different; in fact it the more "different" they are the better for the stratification, within practical limits.

Once strong AI + robotics + fusion energy arrive then things might be different but for now, for societal stability and near-term future economic stability a steady influx of disenfranchised workers is required.

 

[Dorian Breh]

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I am talking about giving them a stake in society.

There is a reason why Prince Harry is unlikely to hold up his local bank.

If you allow them to become stakeholders, (if you stop the [culture] wars), if you treat them as french french; the "enemy France" line becomes a much harder sell.

If you limit their opportunities in society, persist with the "us vs. them", attack their countries (in all manner of ways); the "enemy France" line becomes a much easier sell.

Racism in employment, housing, banking limits where they can live.

The problem is that as you give them more opportunity, in moribund France, you decrease the living standards and opportunities of "locals" which undermines the economic purpose of having a servile, "flexible" underclass in the first place.

Brehs were brought to America for many reasons including that they were readily identifiable as the "underclass". They could not escape and blend into groups of free locals as native americans sometimes could.

For these societies to function you need an underclass and one such ideal underclass is one that is "different". There is no "incentive" for them to be like the other locals. The layering of society works better if they are "different" or perceived as being different; in fact it the more "different" they are the better for the stratification, within practical limits.

Once strong AI + robotics + fusion energy arrive then things might be different but for now, for societal stability and near-term future economic stability a steady influx of disenfranchised workers is required.

I appreciate the thought you put into your reply. I see your point of view as well. I don’t know the ground reality in France, but I’ll definitely do more research about the culture wars there.

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

So societal laws are the only reason you think that’s wrong?

Your reading comprehension is poor. I literally said (and you emboldened it), "a lot of that reasoning".

Societal laws are NOT the only reason I think it's wrong. I think it's inherently wrong for a 9 or 10 year old girl to be involved in any of that stuff but equally, I cannot deny that my outlook on this is somewhat shaped by growing up in today's society. Again, if you literally live in a time where everyone thinks it's ok, can you honestly 100% say you'd see it differently to everyone else? You somehow had a beacon that set off different to everyone else in society telling you this is right/wrong? I'm just being realistic given the circumstances.

I recommend you read this article which explains the marriage in more depth and the ways, customs and practices of Arabia at the time, which mind you, in some ways, were NO different to what happened in Europe etc. Then come back and tell me what you think.

It's so easy for you to speak out of the bubble of living in those times and holding things to today's standards, but it's a very superficial and disingenuous outlook.

 

[3rdWorld]

The French and muslims are both equally vile and anti Black..they deserve each other..a match made in hell.

 

[TallMan_J]

You went from this...

I wish I could neg you again for celebrating the murder of a black woman at the hands of a sand cac.

@50CentStan this is how you roll too?
@Hennessypapi no surprise that a dominic00n would react like this.

To this...

RIP Sister . Time for Macron and joe b to get the puters puting and the drones flying again this is war.
Call up winnie the pooh and ask him if the ughyurs need company.

Literally went from Black Power Pee Wee militant, to hoping that a Cac politician orders the bombings of entire African/Arab nations. Then doubling down by wishing to put these same innocent Africans/Arabs into interment camps all because some terrorist extremist committed an atrocity by his lonesome.


They shouldn't even allow some of you dumb ass clowns to have access to the internet.



RIP to the victims.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Simply criticizing Islam or the prophet Muhammad pbuh does not give rise to murder

But it DOES give rise to murder as the people killed in France and elsewhere have shown.​

The Quran teaches that there is no “compulsion in religion” and an individual cannot be forced to become a Muslim with the threat of violence

Abdullah Ibn Sa'd Ibn Abi Sarh was 'compelled', correct?
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The Quran was revealed in parts to the prophet Muhammad and therefore the context of when they were revealed to the Muslims is significant.

I get that, but the problem is deciding which parts are to be considered as relevant and binding on all Muslims NOW.​

 

[Dorian Breh]

@killacal when you meet up with your Arab friends to break your Ramadan fast, do they make you sit on the floor for being black?

 

[Problematic Pat]

Cac French citizens gonna have to deal with the evil of its goverment.

 

[killacal]

@killacal when you meet up with your Arab friends to break your Ramadan fast, do they make you sit on the floor for being black?

I don't have Arab friends


But America definitely makes me sit on the floor for being black but u got smoke for hypothetical situations

Like i said, you clearly grew up on reddit so do like them and off yourself

 

[Dorian Breh]

I don't have Arab friends


But America definitely makes me sit on the floor for being black but u got smoke for hypothetical situations

Like i said, you clearly grew up on reddit so do like them and off yourself

All hostility aside, do you truly think the punishment for depicting a cartoon of the prophet should be the beheading of a (in this case, completely innocent) bystander? Could you explain how you determined that this was eye for an eye? No snarky replies, just your logical reasoning

 

[NinoBrown]

It's a logical fallacy to blame a religion that can be judged by its scripture and contents and has NEVER advocated this kind of retaliation or action to begin with.

Inb4 you spout your bullshyt FOX news rhetoric about the dangers of Islam.

a tiny proportion of 'Muslim' people acting in this way =/= Islam

It's a religion of peace....wait...religion of cutting or blowing humans up into pieces....

 

[dezert_storm]

The French and muslims are both equally vile and anti Black..they deserve each other..a match made in hell.

Ibn Musa al-Yahsubi, Qadi ‘Iyad, p.375

Ahmad ibn Abi Sulayman, the companion of Sahnun said, “Anyone who says that the Prophet was black should be killed.

Sahih al-Bukhari 63

While we were sitting with the Prophet (ﷺ) in the mosque, a man came riding on a camel. He made his camel kneel down in the mosque, tied its foreleg and then said: "Who amongst you is Muhammad?" At that time the Prophet (ﷺ) was sitting amongst us (his companions) leaning on his arm. We replied, "This white man reclining on his arm."

Sahih al-Bukhari 3544

I heard Abii Juhaifa saying, "I saw the Prophet, and Al-Hasan bin `Ali resembled him." I said to Abu- Juhaifa, "Describe him for me." He said, "He was white and his beard was black with some white hair. He promised to give us 13 young she-camels, but he expired before we could get them."

Sahih al-Bukhari 7142

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "You should listen to and obey, your ruler even if he was an Ethiopian (black) slave whose head looks like a raisin."

Sahih Muslim 1602

There came a slave and pledged allegiance to Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) on migration; he (the Holy Prophet) did not know that he was a slave. Then there came his master and demanded him back, whereupon Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) said: Sell him to me. And he bought him for two black slaves, and he did not afterwards take allegiance from anyone until he had asked him whether he was a slave (or a free man)

Ibn Ishaq 243

I have heard the Apostle say: 'Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal.' He was a sturdy black man with long flowing hair.

 

[Dorian Breh]

Ibn Musa al-Yahsubi, Qadi ‘Iyad, p.375

Ahmad ibn Abi Sulayman, the companion of Sahnun said, “Anyone who says that the Prophet was black should be killed.

Sahih al-Bukhari 63

While we were sitting with the Prophet (ﷺ) in the mosque, a man came riding on a camel. He made his camel kneel down in the mosque, tied its foreleg and then said: "Who amongst you is Muhammad?" At that time the Prophet (ﷺ) was sitting amongst us (his companions) leaning on his arm. We replied, "This white man reclining on his arm."

Sahih al-Bukhari 3544

I heard Abii Juhaifa saying, "I saw the Prophet, and Al-Hasan bin `Ali resembled him." I said to Abu- Juhaifa, "Describe him for me." He said, "He was white and his beard was black with some white hair. He promised to give us 13 young she-camels, but he expired before we could get them."

Sahih al-Bukhari 7142

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "You should listen to and obey, your ruler even if he was an Ethiopian (black) slave whose head looks like a raisin."

Sahih Muslim 1602

There came a slave and pledged allegiance to Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) on migration; he (the Holy Prophet) did not know that he was a slave. Then there came his master and demanded him back, whereupon Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) said: Sell him to me. And he bought him for two black slaves, and he did not afterwards take allegiance from anyone until he had asked him whether he was a slave (or a free man)

Ibn Ishaq 243

I have heard the Apostle say: 'Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal.' He was a sturdy black man with long flowing hair.

Someone was arguing in that other thread about the teacher’s beheading that “white” meant “yellow” back then

 

[Inspect Her Deck]

It's a religion of peace....wait...religion of cutting or blowing humans up into pieces....

Corny.

I expect nothing less though.