Brehs, How Do We Feel About @The Ruler 09? (Get In Here You Measly Little fakkit)

[Jack Don the G]

woa there, you turning into The Ruler 09.

Well so be it. I couldn't be happier if The Ruler 09 have to go through talking to a mad man like I did.

Tasting some of his own medicine might be good for him.

 

[Jack Don the G]

If you read from the beginning in the actual thread you were acting like a bytch for a while, I tried to be civil with you but you started acting out. I've never once gone in on anyone without provocation. You can take things out of context but the thread is still there readily available to be read.

You were talking about something you admitted you have limited knowledge about making sweeping indictments and generalizations that are factually untrue. This is the equivilent of me hearing a few songs from 808's and saying Kanye has only ever used autotune. You admitted you got frustrated and became aggressive after I was being perfectly civil towards you. You had already made your mind up cause you you are a dikkriding stan and did NOT want to discuss the music or back up points I questioned you on. I never said you have to feel anything, but there will be reasons you won't feel certain shyt, and you don't seem to relate to real shyt.

Lol why don;t you just let people go actually read the thread ? Lol. You literally went looking for bits to copy and paste to take parts of it out of context lmao. Hurt lol. You were speaking of numbers of fans/followers being a indication of artistic skill, this is not neccessarily the case at all. Kanye probably has more fans than KRS and Rakim but he's nowhere near them either. Then I was talking about principles and integrity, something you couldn't seem to grasp at all. People talk about cacs on here, but they diss the cool white people then teh ones who actually act like cacs get a pass lmao.

Lol you are a clown, for real lol. You said every K-Rino track sounds the same, I offered numerous times where I would post 2 tracks and you would explain to me how they were the same, you refused because you didn't want to do it and ran off to make another thread lmao. You would say things, get tested on them then run away....

The sheep literally trying to breed more sheep now with manipulation lmao. Go ahead, because the truth is the truth, bullshyt is bullshyt.

Thankfully finished reading this now lol. Move on lol.

Are the quotes out of contex? I wrote a whole fukking page just to get them into context, you idiot. Once again you act like a child, copying the arguments I have against you and throw the right back.
All the things you accuse me of you are guilty of. You are the one that had your mind made up going into it. And if you cant confess to that, you're either stupid or afraid of being wrong.
Stupid I can take, You cant do much about that. I admit to shyt all the time, But you use that as fuel and throw it in my face. You even exaggerate when doing so. Who is this civil guy you keep talking about.

For example, are all the songs you posted in the thread considered to be 808's bad? Cus I listened to most of them. And even if i said my knowledge of K-rino is limited doesnt mean I havnt listened to him. I asked how many CDs you have to listen to before Im allowed to say anything. But you ignoring that too.

Read the thread again and quote me on all the things you claim me doing. I asked you to do this in the actual thread too. But you never did.

Well we are not talking about KRS or Rakim. And Im not saying many fans equal better artist. I made a point of you not being able to judge on what level, the inconceivable amount of people are relating to Kanye. But once again you focus on things, that taken out of context makes me look stupid. Instead of addressing the actual point Im making. And you do this over and over again!

And I even answered your question about sounding the same. But you where to emotional so you missed it. And you keep doing this. Missing things I say or ignore them when they make sense.

And when have I ducked your questions except with the sounding the same question? You get stuck on my troll arguments like they all sound the same. We both know that K-rino have alot of different tracks. But Sonically speaking K-rinos tracks is more similar that for example Kanye who have a larger range in his music. And If you dont hear that I will start posting songs from every secound CD he dropped during the last 20 years to show you. And I know you will challenge me on it so dont think I have the tracks ready.

Still got them tracks waiting...

 

[The Ruler 09]

Are the quotes out of contex? I wrote a whole fukking page just to get them into context, you idiot. Once again you act like a child, copying the arguments I have against you and throw the right back.
All the things you accuse me of you are guilty of. You are the one that had your mind made up going into it. And if you cant confess to that, you're either stupid or afraid of being wrong.
Stupid I can take, You cant do much about that. I admit to shyt all the time, But you use that as fuel and throw it in my face. You even exaggerate when doing so. Who is this civil guy you keep talking about.

For example, are all the songs you posted in the thread considered to be 808's bad? Cus I listened to most of them. And even if i said my knowledge of K-rino is limited doesnt mean I havnt listened to him. I asked how many CDs you have to listen to before Im allowed to say anything. But you ignoring that too.

Read the thread again and quote me on all the things you claim me doing. I asked you to do this in the actual thread too. But you never did.

Well we are not talking about KRS or Rakim. And Im not saying many fans equal better artist. I made a point of you not being able to judge on what level, the inconceivable amount of people are relating to Kanye. But once again you focus on things, that taken out of context makes me look stupid. Instead of addressing the actual point Im making. And you do this over and over again!

And I even answered your question about sounding the same. But you where to emotional so you missed it. And you keep doing this. Missing things I say or ignore them when they make sense.




Still got them tracks waiting...

I made up my mind after hearing every single album of each artists work, and a bunch of mixtapes too and songs. That is what you call an informed opinion vs your uninformed opinion. I didn't blindly pick 1 over the other, I judged off the MUSIC that I listened to. You aren't qualified to debate this, you're not even qualified to debate period because you don't have the brain capacity to.

Real is real, fake is fake, what you are trying to do now is manipulate the situation and put forth a view point that puts you in a better light. Honestly I don't give a fukk what anyone else thinks lol, cause I KNOW what it is lol. I'm very secure, knowing I am real and you are very insecure probably knowing you are a fake. Anyone can go to the thread and see for themselves. And depending on their perception abilities will get it or not.

I said I was civil to you initially, which I clearly was, you started getting emotional and i responded in kind. I think I answered that questioned 2 times in the other thread, but I said you have to hear the full work to have a full opinion. It is a pretty pointless and futile debate, I don't really care what you have to say, you don't care what I say, so why persist? I type extremely fast so it's nothing to me but even the few mins it takes aren;'t really worth it, because you don't wanna talk about the music like that.

I said everything I wanted to at the time, I don't wish to go over old ground, if you have something you wanna say though then if you reply in that thread I may reply at some point. But in reality it's probably pointless going over old ground, I don't respect you so what you have to say is worthless to me.

We were, because I just brought them up. Is Kanye better than Rakim and KRS-One? Where do you rank Kanye on your list? Let's get down to the truth of things. Do you think Kanye is better than 2 Pac? Or are you going to duck these questions too? I don't have to do anything to make you look stupid, you do a fine job by yourself. Show me in the other thread where you answered it then, cause the last I saw you were running away typically and avoiding substance.

 

[Jack Don the G]

If you read from the beginning in the actual thread you were acting like a bytch for a while, I tried to be civil with you but you started acting out. I've never once gone in on anyone without provocation. You can take things out of context but the thread is still there readily available to be read.

Since I know you wont do the quoting I will do it for you and we can see how bytchy I acted.

These are the three first post I made:

First off, I like you as a poster Ruler because you show the underground a lot of love in a forum where underground artists and backpack rappers gets clowned on a daily.

You say Kanye cant make songs like K-rino, the same thing can be said about K-rino. He definitely cant make songs like Kanye.

And to take it even one step further, Kanye already uses ghostwriters, so he actually could make a track that would be similar to K-rino. But K-rino wouldnt be able to make a hit-record even with the help of Kanye for gods sake.

And that has nothing to do with brainwashing my man. Yeah there are sheeps out there but this is quite simple. There are key elements in music that resonate with people. And some artist have perfected that art, just like K-rino have perfected his lyrical ability. But to become an expert on one subject you often neglect elements.

Im not saying people cant be touched by K-rinos music. And I know K-rino goes deeper into subjects then Kanye, and talk about stuff Kanye never talked about. But does that make you a better artist? is a song about love, heartbreak or the struggle of everyday worth less compared to for example the brainwashing of the western world?

Pick one of the following songs: All falls down, spaceships and Never let you down. And I promise you that that song alone have touched more people then all the people in total that have been tuched by K-rinos songs combined. And who are YOU to judge if those people are touched on the same level as K-rinos fans? Do you have a super vision that can scan all the kanye west fans and say if the are deeply emotional touched or not?

And this brings me to the next subject.

Dont you want as many people as possible to hear your music, your message? Making hit records is not a question about selling out IMO. Its about being heard. And dont call Kanye a sell out. He brought soul sampling back during the age of gangster rap ffs. + he made Yeesuz for christ sake. If thats selling out I dont know what that term means any more.

Im sure K-rino would love to be able to make music that more people would listen to. But he knows his lane. And thats great! Some artists should stick to what they do best.

Even if I hate both 808 & heartbreaks and Yeezus I think its cool Kanye tries out new stuff and are not afraid of force himself out of his own made lane and the lane people wants him to be in. So trying to big up K-rinos artistic integrity when he is doing kind of the same stuff over and over again compared to Kanye who dont give a fukk about what people and music companies think.

Hold on, hold on. I dont see anyone in here saying K-rino is wack or cant rhyme.

What most of us is arguing is your comment about K-rino being 1000 times better then Kanye West which is would be a stupid comment even if you said that he was twice as good.

Being a technically skilled rapper doesn't make you a dope artist automatically (AND IM NOT SAYING K-RINO ISNT DOPE!)

Its just baffling seeing someone talking about sheeps when it is you thats so emotionally attached to K-rino that you cant see why people would say that Kanye is the better artist/makes better music.

And we havnt even brought up that Kanye makes his own beats.

After that I have a big post, where Im acting in the exact same way but also put in two WTF:s just to show my frustration of you taking my shyt out of context.

Where am I uncivil? You keep making shyt up.

 

[The Ruler 09]

Since I know you wont do the quoting I will do it for you and we can see bytchy I acted.

These are the three first post I made:








After that I have a big post, where Im acting in the exact same way but also put in two WTF:s just to show my frustration of you taking my shyt out of context.

Where am I uncivil? You keep making shyt up.

Everything is in the orginal thread, I'm not switching between threads to copy shyt which is already in the other 1.

 

[A.V.]

im not reading all this shet

 

[Yoda]

Since I know you wont do the quoting I will do it for you and we can see bytchy I acted.

These are the three first post I made:








After that I have a big post, where Im acting in the exact same way but also put in two WTF:s just to show my frustration of you taking my shyt out of context.

Where am I uncivil? You keep making shyt up.

 

[Jack Don the G]

I made up my mind after hearing every single album of each artists work, and a bunch of mixtapes too and songs. That is what you call an informed opinion vs your uninformed opinion. I didn't blindly pick 1 over the other, I judged off the MUSIC that I listened to. You aren't qualified to debate this, you're not even qualified to debate period because you don't have the brain capacity to.

Real is real, fake is fake, what you are trying to do now is manipulate the situation and put forth a view point that puts you in a better light. Honestly I don't give a fukk what anyone else thinks lol, cause I KNOW what it is lol. I'm very secure, knowing I am real and you are very insecure probably knowing you are a fake. Anyone can go to the thread and see for themselves. And depending on their perception abilities will get it or not.

I said I was civil to you initially, which I clearly was, you started getting emotional and i responded in kind. I think I answered that questioned 2 times in the other thread, but I said you have to hear the full work to have a full opinion. It is a pretty pointless and futile debate, I don't really care what you have to say, you don't care what I say, so why persist? I type extremely fast so it's nothing to me but even the few mins it takes aren;'t really worth it, because you don't wanna talk about the music like that.

I said everything I wanted to at the time, I don't wish to go over old ground, if you have something you wanna say though then if you reply in that thread I may reply at some point. But in reality it's probably pointless going over old ground, I don't respect you so what you have to say is worthless to me.

We were, because I just brought them up. Is Kanye better than Rakim and KRS-One? Where do you rank Kanye on your list? Let's get down to the truth of things. Do you think Kanye is better than 2 Pac? Or are you going to duck these questions too? I don't have to do anything to make you look stupid, you do a fine job by yourself. Show me in the other thread where you answered it then, cause the last I saw you were running away typically and avoiding substance.

I challenge any one to go into that other thread and find anything insulting from me to Ruler on the same level he keeps addressing me. I only started questioning your intelligence after you started doing it to me and I have talked shyt about the way you debate. But thats it.

Why should I even answer your questions when you dont respect me or think anything I say is worthless?

Whos the one insecure and emotional? I dont think you are used to having people debating you with logic for this long and therefor act out. You are used to scaring people away after a few pages of nonsense, and when someone finally stays and challenge you on things you dont know how to handle it.

Even tho I clearly made it obvious from time to time, I dont think you ever picked up that you and me usually have kind of the same taste in music. I even bigged you up on it. I barely listen to mainstream artist today, but what kind of hip hop I listen to or my opinion on other hip hop acts shouldn't matter. I tried to have a civil debate with you about what makes an artist or music good. I love debating so I mostly challenged you on general things, never trying to discredit K-rino. My goal was never to prove you that Kanye is better then K-rino. My goal was to show you that you making statements like K-rino is 1000 time better then Kanye is kind of stupid when there are levels to this music shyt.

I think it could have been a good debate, and I think the Eyedea vs. K-rino would have been even better. But you fukked that up by getting personal and questioning my "realness" and intelligence when you had no reason too.

And if you cant see that. You are either a troll, stupid or to stubborn to admit a mistake.

 

[Yoda]

he is all 3. troll, stupid and stubborn.

there is no point in thinking anything will get thru his hard little head.

 

[The Ruler 09]

I challenge any one to go into that other thread and find anything insulting from me to Ruler on the same level he keeps addressing me. I only started questioning your intelligence after you started doing it to me and I have talked shyt about the way you debate. But thats it.

Why should I even answer your questions when you dont respect me or think anything I say is worthless?

Whos the one insecure and emotional? I dont think you are used to having people debating you with logic for this long and therefor act out. You are used to scaring people away after a few pages of nonsense, and when someone finally stays and challenge you on things you dont know how to handle it.

Even tho I clearly made it obvious from time to time, I dont think you ever picked up that you and me usually have kind of the same taste in music. I even bigged you up on it. I barely listen to mainstream artist today, but what kind of hip hop I listen to or my opinion on other hip hop acts shouldn't matter. I tried to have a civil debate with you about what makes an artist or music good. I love debating so I mostly challenged you on general things, never trying to discredit K-rino. My goal was never to prove you that Kanye is better then K-rino. My goal was to show you that you making statements like K-rino is 1000 time better then Kanye is kind of stupid when there are levels to this music shyt.

I think it could have been a good debate, and I think the Eyedea vs. K-rino would have been even better. But you fukked that up by getting personal and questioning my "realness" and intelligence when you had no reason too.

And if you cant see that. You are either a troll, stupid or to stubborn to admit a mistake.

You started acting out, I was civil up until that point. Lol you can question my intelligence, I prove my intelligence consistently naturally, you consistently prove your lack of.

Don't then, but if you're not going to there's no point in keep talking to me, you've had ample opportunities to just leave it but keep persisting, are you THAT hurt? Like we don't have to continue, it doesn't make no odds to me lol. So you can stop replying from here if you like and be done with it.

You, because you started it, when someone is trying to talk to you respectfully and decently and you act out then the boundaries are broken. Lmao, you're talking crazy and reckless, you're talking for the sake of it, substance wise you are lacking. If you really want to continue then you can reply in the original thread and will keep going if that's your desire, but I don't have a desire to do that but I'll do it if you feel you really want to for whatever reason.

Course it matters, and this is subtle deviation to try to get away from your core. You may listen to some underground shyt, but that doesn't mean much. You may be just a Kanye stan, but I want to know your opinions about if Kanye is better than the artists I named or not in your opinion. I answered all your similar questions but you avoid mine, why? Do you have something to hide or you're ashamed of? Cause I don't. I always kept it completely 100.

You didn't though, you started being a bytch , I even said to chill initially, but you carried on in your emo esq manner. You're not a man, at least 1 with integrity, and those concepts seemed completely alien to you. About decorum and honor and respect and righteousness, this is another reason why your opinion means less. You have a limited grasp of everything to do with the culture from many sides. I even questioned your knowledge on the business/industry side and you didn't want to get into that either. But the problem is, you'd say a statement that was untrue then when it was time to delve deeper into it you'd back up or expose your lack of knowledge. If you want to continue for whatever reason, let's see who both person is and who's talking, then we can define the credibility, authenticity and knowledge after that. I even had some cultural questions I asked if you'd answer and you ran from that too. At first I gave you the benefit of the doubt and tried to have a genuine discussion with you but in the original thread you quickly exposed yourself, this was the problem and issue from the off. You kept talking and saying things with a complete lack of knowledge. If you want to start over and have an honest frank debate we can start over, take away all that other shyt as long as it's no holds barred and real. I get the impression you don't want to do that. If you admit you got emotional and acted out, and want to apologize and try again then fair enough. I will give you a 2nd chance to do so, but if you're not sincere then there's no need to waste time

 

[Jack Don the G]

Woa. Im not getting into another circle jerk discussion with you: Trying to bait me like the troll you are.

I couldn't give a fukk what your opinion of me is after all this shyt talk you have been doing. I already showed everyone how civil I have been and was open about my objectives. Like I said, I never discredited K-rino once, never openly said Kanye West is a better artist, have admitted to that K-rino is a better MC. etc. All I did was question you about the different elements that you judge an artist. Ever heard of the devils advocate fool?

Now I wont even tell you who I actually think is the better artist.

 

[The Ruler 09]

Woa. Im not getting into another circle jerk discussion with you: Trying to bait me like the troll you are.

I couldn't give a fukk what your opinion of me is after all this shyt talk you have been doing. I already showed everyone how civil I have been and was open about my objectives. Like I said, I never discredited K-rino once, never openly said Kanye West is a better artist, have admitted to that K-rino is a better MC. etc. All I did was question you about the different elements that you judge an artist. Ever heard of the devils advocate fool?

Now I wont even tell you who I actually think is the better artist.

Lmao, and there we have it lol. Ok we can leave it there.

 

[Not Crodie]

hes cool

 

[Revolutionary]

he cool

 

[TheSickness]

Meanwhile 3/4 of the booth is suckling on kanye/lupe/nas tip

Probably some of the realest shyt i ever read...this sums it up perfectly