Brehs Westbrook might be a fraud

[LinusCaldwell]

I didn't wanna believe it but I see it now

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Ranking system for the most ignorant basketball fans:

#1: What's his ppg?
#2: Have I seen him with Sportscenter highlights and contested jump shots?
#3: Okay, points, rebounds, and assists
#4: Ringz!

You basically just shytted on yourself with this point.

Westbrook is a freak of a basketball player. Just incredible to watch. But I can't call him a top-5 player. He hurts his team way too often with bad defense and bad shots and bad decision making.

This has only really been true in this series. You can not say this with how he's performed this season. Whatever bad comes with his play, is ultimately outweighed by the good.

 

[Geek Nasty]

I always hated this about Westbrook. He gets away with it when he's hitting shots, but when he has one of those coast-to-coast drives, doesn't pass, and gets his shot blocked going into 3v1 defense

I'm starting to think the reason we're always hearing about Durant wanting to leave is Westbrook's play.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

You basically just shytted on yourself with this point.

I'd love to see you explain what I said in error there. Your use of logic has been so amazing in earlier threads, I can't wait to see what you come up with here.

This has only really been true in this series. You can not say this with how he's performed this season. Whatever bad comes with his play, is ultimately outweighed by the good.

Yes, his bad play is outweighed by the good. But the bad is still cancelling out a substantial portion of the good. I would have put him on my top-10 MVP list this year. But not top-5.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I'd love to see you explain what I said in error there. Your use of logic has been so amazing in earlier threads, I can't wait to see what you come up with here.

Says the person who blatantly lies to push their LeBron agenda, even when confronted with the truth.

You base your arguments around points/rebounds/assists far too often, as if it's that simple - fitting them around whatever narrative you're pushing.

Yes, his bad play is outweighed by the good. But the bad is still cancelling out a substantial portion of the good. I would have put him on my top-10 MVP list this year. But not top-5.

He's still a top 5 player, even despite him regressing on defense. Curry, LeBron and Durant are the only players in the league who have similar offensive impact.

 

[Tha Gawd Amen]

Don't know why Westbrook and Durant can't play off each other better sort of like a LeBron D Wade type thing. Westbrook would be deadly as fukk catching the ball while moving towards the basket like D Wade did. A Westbrook/Durant pick and whatever would he deadly too.

 

[Joe Sixpack]

Russell Westbrook is a Sith Lord

 

[Draje]

You basically just shytted on yourself with this point.

This has only really been true in this series. You can not say this with how he's performed this season. Whatever bad comes with his play, is ultimately outweighed by the good.

The big thing is that Westbrook's flaws REALLY show themselves against the better teams in the league and how he plays makes it much easier to plan for him.

It makes him hard for him to lead championship teams till he learns this

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Says the person who blatantly lies to push their LeBron agenda, even when confronted with the truth.

I didn't even know what you're talking about. It took me a while to look through my history and even figure out that you're still butthurt over me saying that DRose didn't deserve the MVP in 2011 because his defense wasn't good enough.

I had forgotten that that argument even had to do with Lebron, after those other gigantic fits you threw because I claimed that CP3 D'd up Lilliard well in the first game and the Warriors have consistently caught some big breaks with opponents' injuries the last couple years.

You base your arguments around points/rebounds/assists far too often, as if it's that simple - fitting them around whatever narrative you're pushing.

And where in that message did I say that points-rebounds-assists are a bad thing? You and your shytty reading comprehension strike again.

Crappy posters concede that points-rebounds-assists are important (that's why there's that "okay" to start that one), but without the context of shooting % or varying usage situations, without factoring in defense at all, and only after massively prioritizing points and highlights first.

That doesn't mean that points-rebounds-assists are unimportant, but that they are inadequate for the full picture.

Damn, every time I talk to you I feel like I have to explain every little piece like you're a 3rd grader. After 20 posts/day for five years, I would have thought you'd have figured out how to read the internet. Now your M.O. is that you'll either yell "You're lying!" or you'll misread it again and make a new wild assertion.

He's still a top 5 player, even despite him regressing on defense. Curry, LeBron and Durant are the only players in the league who have similar offensive impact.

That's a reasonable opinion. As long as you're just talking about offense. Though for a net offensive benefit, I put all three of those guys clearly above Westbrook, not just "similar". No one is dreaming of trading any of those three straight up for him, even with the advantage of age.

 

[DIMES]

Says the person who blatantly lies to push their LeBron agenda, even when confronted with the truth.

You base your arguments around points/rebounds/assists far too often, as if it's that simple - fitting them around whatever narrative you're pushing.

He's still a top 5 player, even despite him regressing on defense. Curry, LeBron and Durant are the only players in the league who have similar offensive impact.

Almost nobody in this league touches the ball as much Westbrook



Not even KD. It's disgusting. He doesn't understand he's a 2nd option

 

[JMurder]

That article on Russ's defense

Dude really is James Hardening out there

 

[DonKnock]

That article on Russ's defense

Dude really is James Hardening out there

Just wait till Scott Brooks gets his hands on Wall and Beal

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I didn't even know what you're talking about. It took me a while to look through my history and even figure out that you're still butthurt over me saying that DRose didn't deserve the MVP in 2011 because his defense wasn't good enough. .

And you still don't get it.....

LeBron stans are as oblivious to what's really happening, just like they claim Kobe stans are.

I had forgotten that that argument even had to do with Lebron, after those other gigantic fits you threw because I claimed that CP3 D'd up Lilliard well in the first game and the Warriors have consistently caught some big breaks with opponents' injuries the last couple years.

i) This is the problem with you - whenever anybody challenges your opinion with equal or more force and truths you get all defensive - it was far from a "gigantic fit". It was a well thought out, detailed account of CP's defense on Lillard during the game(s).
ii) It actually wasn't the first game where you made that comment, it was the second game (there is a difference given the context of the series and how Lillard was shooting up to the point). Which I then proved wrong by going through and listing all of Lillard's shot attempts, showing just how piss poor CP's defense on him really was. It seems like all you did was look at the box score and saw Lillard went 6-22 and thought you could put two and two together. Failing to see just how bad CP was on the defensive end.
iii) Now there's a difference between what you said there about the Warriors catching breaks and what you were arguing FOR in the other thread. But at this point, that's neither here nor there.

And where in that message did I say that points-rebounds-assists are a bad thing? You and your shytty reading comprehension strike again.

Crappy posters concede that points-rebounds-assists are important (that's why there's that "okay" to start that one), but without the context of shooting % or varying usage situations, without factoring in defense at all, and only after massively prioritizing points and highlights first.

That doesn't mean that points-rebounds-assists are unimportant, but that they are inadequate for the full picture..

And here's the thing, YOU have a tendency to not disclose the full picture (or what's relevant) when referencing ppg, rpg and apg - which is why I said you shytted on yourself with that point. Like you seem to do with other stats as well - except those standard box score #s are an easier vessel for you to carry your agendas. I'm completely well aware of how you structured that "ranking system" and what so-called "crappy posters" prioritize when valuing players.

Damn, every time I talk to you I feel like I have to explain every little piece like you're a 3rd grader. After 20 posts/day for five years, I would have thought you'd have figured out how to read the internet. Now your M.O. is that you'll either yell "You're lying!" or you'll misread it again and make a new wild assertion.

Again, this is from you getting the details wrong or your lack of self-reflection. I'm amazed at just how stubborn you really are.

That's a reasonable opinion. As long as you're just talking about offense. Though for a net offensive benefit, I put all three of those guys clearly above Westbrook, not just "similar". No one is dreaming of trading any of those three straight up for him, even with the advantage of age.

Absolutely not.

Nobody generated more raw points this season than Westbrook did. None of them with the exception of Curry created more chaos on offense. All the while orchestrating the second best offense in the league.

 

[DonKnock]

Tonight might be Westbrooks last chance to prove he can get it done in this set up


If they lose tonight, with momentum gone they will likely get worked in SA the next game to end the series and Durant could very possibly be out the door after that

 

[SunZoo]

Last Chance Defense: The Russell Westbrook Ripple Effect

Defense is a thing and Russ's defense has been horrendous.

And I'm a huge fan.

Those gifs are indefensible