Brehs when did Jim brown start c00ning it up
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I must've missed that thread.
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you cosigning that post
To a degree... Yeah.... If we're going to measure black "activists" contribution by using tangible results, and a "what have you done for me lately" position then yes.... Kap aint no fakkit or coward tho
what has he done?
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Why you bringing up old shyt......?. thecoli off that... the braintrust of thecoli has shifted to radical militancy.....hence, his 45 years of service to the black community is invalidated in a 4 minute clip.....
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Good point
He protested the war because he got drafted
Brotha I am going to have to disagree with you on this.
From a historical stand point Ali was a member of the NOI until 1975. He was a separatist and believed black folks needed to take care of themselves and not take hand outs from white folks (which actually is what Jim has talked about since the 60s....but I will discuss that more later).
There are countless interviews and news reels on Ali discussing white racism, talking about the NOI and white supremacy even before Vietnam draft (which is one of the reasons the government drafted him to shut him up) and after he got his fighting license back.
From a technical standpoint Ali didn't protest when being drafted. He just told the government he wasn't going and filled on religious grounds. If he was a regular kat he would have draft dodged and moved to Canada (like a couple of my dad friends). But Ali was a public figure and could not do that. So that was who Muhammed was.
Also as someone has pointed out his job in the army would have been cushy and laid back like Joe Luis. So Ali could have went he wasn't gonna be on the front lines or even having a gun or getting shot at.
But IMO Muhammad knew how Joe Lewis was done dirty. Which I have mentioned on here how the government did him wrong from the IRS basically stealing money from him. To the government not even taking care of him in old age. The fukking mob took care of him and made sure he had a roof over his head.
Ali also was being mentored and managed by the NOI. There is no way they would have let him go into the draft because it went against everything they stood for. It would have been a crushing blow to what the NOI stood for and what Ali stood for.
I mean think about it. The NOI couldn't have their biggest star. Going to join the military especially after their view point of white folks and white supremacy especially against darker skin folks.
Last it is in Lala's best interest to sell her dad as a non militant. His image is the families meal ticket. We have to realize that Ali was darn near broke by the 90s. His wife rebranded him as almost a Santa Claus figure.....the rebranding worked because by the time of his death he was worth over 50 million bucks.
The media and powers that be basically have erased the image of the unapologetic black man who spoke out on racism, wanted black folks to build together and even mentioning black folks love and marry one another. Basically when they mention Ali they show him beating liston, refusing to be drafted and then beating Frazier and foreman.
The NOI part is basically erased and for good reason in their eyes.
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Another thing brotha that I wanted to say is that Jim Brown really hasn't changed his message since the 60s. He viewpoints were closer to NOI than MLK.
Even as recently as two year ago I believe he mentioned how he respected MLK but didn't agree with his views.
He felt that integration wasn't the way and the real way to freedom was to fight for equal rights (which MLK was doing) but refuse integration. He felt all that was good for was begging whites for handouts and help. When we as black folks could protect ourselves and employ ourselves if we worked together.
Jim also mentioned why be nonviolent to white people who are violent against you. If you don't have guns to fight them why be around them. Separate yourself from them. If you work for them take your money with other blacks and pull your money together to fix your neighborhoods, create jobs and then hire your own police to patrol your communicaties. Cause white folks have never shown that they will let you get an equal piece of the pie.
This is actually been the NOI moto for decades and Jim been saying this since the 60s.
Now when Jim has done the few interviews that I have seen this year..... he isn't mentioning that last part after the clean up your neighborhoods. This makes me think he is getting muzzled or something bigger is going on.
Because we can look at interviews from last year and he is basically saying the same pro black shyt above and even more. Even the the multiple bull shyt town hall meeting on ESPN Jim Brown has said the same thing over and over verbatim. Most of the time pissing off the black athletes cause he is telling them fukk your brand help out black folks. Him and Lisa Lesley got into it one time on live air over this same shyt.
So is it because someone is telling him to leave out the rest of his message? He has mentioned that he been on the FBI watch list since the 60s when he was trying to get black entertainers to invest in black neighborhoods, black businesses and ex black gang members.
Is he just doing this to stay in good with the browns organization? In the 2000s they basically casted him aside. At one time they were giving over 100k in donations to his anti gang organization. Then suddenly stopped and basically stopped dealing with Jim. But it seems that ownership is back to dealing with him now.
Let's not also forget that the California government cut funding as well to his not for profit. Jim ended up calling out Arnold Schwarzenegger and saying this was done because Jim's organization had been making great progress for over 20 years preventing black men and Latin men from being part of the school to prison pipeline.
Last I will never take away from what Jim did to fight gang violence in the streets especially in the 80s when that shyt in places like LA make the shyt in Chicago today look like a walk in the park. That dude would invite bloods and crips to his house to get dudes to talk shyt out and call a truce. shyt most folks won't even invite a homeless person to their house.
But we got a dude bringing cold blooded killers and street dudes to his house to get them to call a truce and stop killing folks in the streets. That some deep shyt.
Another thing brotha that I wanted to say is that Jim Brown really hasn't changed his message since the 60s. He viewpoints were closer to NOI than MLK.
Even as recently as two year ago I believe he mentioned how he respected MLK but didn't agree with his views.
He felt that integration wasn't the way and the real way to freedom was to fight for equal rights (which MLK was doing) but refuse integration. He felt all that was good for was begging whites for handouts and help. When we as black folks could protect ourselves and employ ourselves if we worked together.
Jim also mentioned why be nonviolent to white people who are violent against you. If you don't have guns to fight them why be around them. Separate yourself from them. If you work for them take your money with other blacks and pull your money together to fix your neighborhoods, create jobs and then hire your own police to patrol your communicaties. Cause white folks have never shown that they will let you get an equal piece of the pie.
This is actually been the NOI moto for decades and Jim been saying this since the 60s.
Now when Jim has done the few interviews that I have seen this year..... he isn't mentioning that last part after the clean up your neighborhoods. This makes me think he is getting muzzled or something bigger is going on.
Because we can look at interviews from last year and he is basically saying the same pro black shyt above and even more. Even the the multiple bull shyt town hall meeting on ESPN Jim Brown has said the same thing over and over verbatim. Most of the time pissing off the black athletes cause he is telling them fukk your brand help out black folks. Him and Lisa Lesley got into it one time on live air over this same shyt.
So is it because someone is telling him to leave out the rest of his message? He has mentioned that he been on the FBI watch list since the 60s when he was trying to get black entertainers to invest in black neighborhoods, black businesses and ex black gang members.
Is he just doing this to stay in good with the browns organization? In the 2000s they basically casted him aside. At one time they were giving over 100k in donations to his anti gang organization. Then suddenly stopped and basically stopped dealing with Jim. But it seems that ownership is back to dealing with him now.
Let's not also forget that the California government cut funding as well to his not for profit. Jim ended up calling out Arnold Schwarzenegger and saying this was done because Jim's organization had been making great progress for over 20 years preventing black men and Latin men from being part of the school to prison pipeline.
Last I will never take away from what Jim did to fight gang violence in the streets especially in the 80s when that shyt in places like LA make the shyt in Chicago today look like a walk in the park. That dude would invite bloods and crips to his house to get dudes to talk shyt out and call a truce. shyt most folks won't even invite a homeless person to their house.
But we got a dude bringing cold blooded killers and street dudes to his house to get them to call a truce and stop killing folks in the streets. That some deep shyt.
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