Brexit Is Teaching Britain A Lesson In Humility; Boris Johnson finalizes EU Exit Deal!

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Nobody in life gets everything they want all of the time. We have to live with the cards we have been dealt and the decisions we have made, good or bad. So it is in politics. The majority of MPs who have expressed their opposition to a no-deal Brexit have to live with two realities they may find unacceptable. Jeremy Corbyn is a committed socialist, careless of division and widely distrusted. Boris Johnson is a prime minister steering Britain full tilt towards a moment of national peril propelled solely by the exigencies of extreme rightwing politics. Yet it is Corbyn who has tried to break the deadlock.

It is against this background that MPs beyond the rightwing English nationalist laager into which Johnson has locked his party must assess Corbyn’s offer to create a time-limited national government. Its sole mission would be to agree an extension of the date for leaving the EU beyond 31 October. This would allow a general election to take place, with Labour campaigning on its promise to be “committed to a public vote on the terms of leaving the EU, including an option to remain”. It will be a steady state administration, enacting no new policies, nor initiating any new spending, lasting for the few weeks necessary to bridge into the next parliament.

Voters will have the opportunity to express their support for no deal or for a second referendum with Remain on the ballot paper. There will be no fait accompli of a no-deal Brexit imposed on the UK. Crucially, the cabinet secretary could give Corbyn no assurance such a risk could otherwise be avoided. Constitutionally, neither a vote of no confidence in Johnson nor a parliamentary vote against no deal will stop it going ahead on 31 October if the government refuses to act in response. In sum, Corbyn’s initiative to create a bridge government to avoid this fate is an imperative that deserves a positive hearing.

To leave the European Union with no process agreed for determining the gamut of our future relationships with the continent of which we are a part would be an act of extreme folly and national self-harm. There is no mandate for this; as Corbyn argued, it was not mentioned in the referendum. Indeed, it was excluded.

The immediate impact of a no-deal Brexit on 1 November is unknowable but likely to involve rupture to key supplies of fresh foods and crucial medicines. The consequences may or may not be manageable. More serious, long-term and unmanageable will be the impact in the years ahead – prolonged recession, a slump in business confidence, collapsed sterling, endangered national security, the almost certain break-up of the kingdom, frozen careers and a gathering exodus of the many companies that have made Britain their home. International collaboration involving Britain on any initiative – from space to security, trade to finance – will become impossibly difficult.

This will happen against a darkening backdrop where already volatile financial markets are warning of a global recession and the threat of a full-blown trade war. It is thus that Corbyn’s offer deserves the most constructive response possible from MPs who have the national interest as their prime concern. It does not require non-Labour MPs to act as if they are endorsing his socialism or to suspend their distrust of him and his policies. Rather, it is to back a short-term bridge government whose sole purpose is to organise a general election, with new political options and a fresh electoral mandate.

The reflex reaction of the Liberal Democrat leader, Jo Swinson, to initially dismiss the initiative was wrong. It is good she has partially climbed down as politically adeptly as possible given her earlier misstep. But touting Ken Clarke and Harriet Harman as joint leaders of a parallel initiative should be seen for what it is: cover for her climbdown. No temporary government is possible without the support of Labour MPs and their leader. She is right to signal she is now keeping the lines open and her new recruit, Sarah Wollaston, importantly recognised the nature of the choice. Politics, as she has learned the hard way, is brutal.

But even with Lib Dem support, it will need up to a dozen Conservatives to swing behind the opposition parties to form the bridge government. Tory MP Guto Bebb is right to frame the decision not as one of putting “Corbyn into Downing Street”, as Dominic Grieve has done, but, rather, as a generational choice in the context of a national calamity. Grieve, like Swinson, should climb down and reframe the nature of the decision. Yet it is for all Tory MPs a fateful moment. Do they collude in the process of turning their party into a fully fledged English nationalist party, plunging Britain into crisis in a no-deal Brexit? Or do they speak up for country?

No one knows how an election will pan out, but there is no doubt that it must be the right course. This paper has not stinted in its criticism of Corbyn’s twists and turns, not least over his and his party’s lack of clarity over Brexit, but on this issue he is unequivocally right. Without a majority in the current parliament for a referendum, Britain must have a bridge government to hold an election and put the calamity of a no-deal Brexit to the people, along with the option of a second referendum and Remain. Corbyn’s offer must be kept alive. Democracy and the national interest demand no less.
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Boris Johnson raises the stakes: Britain will STOP most contact with EU in TEN DAYS to 'focus on leaving' after European leaders snubbed his plan to ditch the backstop
  • Prime Minister Boris Johnson has told the EU that plans for an Irish backstop are 'unviable' and 'undemocratic'
  • In an open letter to Donald Tusk he said it risked the 'delicate balance' struck in the Good Friday agreement
  • Mr Johnson will fly to Berlin tomorrow for dinner with Angela Merkel before heading on to Paris the next day
  • Outgoing Council President Mr Tusk was dismissive and said there was no 'realistic' alternative to backstop
  • Brexit Secretary Steve Barclay said today UK officials will now only attend EU meetings 'that really matter'

Freedom of movement is to end on October 31 as Boris Johnson plans to keep out EU criminals

Rules giving EU citizens the right to enter the UK to live, work or study will be scrapped on October 31, the government announced on Monday.

Stricter rules will be introduced to make it easier to keep out EU criminals, extremists or other troublemakers from coming into the country, Downing Street said.

Theresa May had looked at extending freedom of movement to 2021 or allowing EU citizens and their families - plus those from Switzerland, Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein - to stay for three months before applying to remain for up to three years.

But the Prime Minister has insisted he is committed to honouring the referendum result by ending free movement, a key reason the country voted for Brexit in June 2016.

If negotiations with the EU collapse and the UK leaves without a deal, freedom of movement - which also gives Britons the right to live and travel freely within the EU - will end overnight on Halloween.

EU citizens with the right to permanent residence will not be affected.

The policy has been denounced by opponents as being the prelude to another Windrush scandal.

PM vows to break off nearly ALL contact with Brussels to focus on taking the UK out of the EU | Daily Mail Online
 
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FAH1223 said:
They’re definitely crashing out

Unless 12 Tory MPs Of they remain variety break with BoJo and support Corbyn’s efforts of a caretaker government with the other opposition parties and then a general election
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I am still betting that the UK will not crash out.

Most likely scenario is one that leads to a 2nd referendum (as I have been saying all along).

The slow and recently confirmed public flip by Corbyn tells me that there are forces in the background who are pushing this entire thing to a "constitutional crisis" / "we need a mandate" situation to justify a new referendum, with "remain" now being the most likely outcome.

Boris is playing poker with the EU, gambling that the economic troubles in Germany (and other nations) might bring them back to the negotiating table.

Why else would you ratchet up the public pressure again by declaring that you are "taking action to show you are serious" as we approach D-day. If you want to leave, just leave Boris. No need to keep talking about it.
 
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Low End Derrick said:
from my understanding, politicians like boris johnson don't care about that part of the uk
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The British left occupied Ireland around 100 years ago and even now there is a great deal of division between the South and the (to some) still occupied North. Or rather the true Irish and the British (well English) -Irish

Boris Johnson has no choice but to be concerned because armed hostilities in Ireland (against the British/English/Unionists) only stopped in 1998 and if another hard border goes up they will start again. Some skirmishes between the two groups have already happened. Bombs have already been exploded.

I tried to find a documentary that I saw a while ago that covers the historical issue and the current state of play but no sign of it on youtube nor google search. In fact there are so few results that I think google is removing results.

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ABC123 said:
The British left occupied Ireland around 100 years ago and even now there is a great deal of division between the South and the (to some) still occupied North. Or rather the true Irish and the British (well English) -Irish

Boris Johnson has no choice but to be concerned because armed hostilities in Ireland (against the British/English/Unionists) only stopped in 1998 and if another hard border goes up they will start again. Some skirmishes between the two groups have already happened. Bombs have already been exploded.

I tried to find a documentary that I saw a while ago that covers the historical issue and the current state of play but no sign of it on youtube nor google search. In fact there are so few results that I think google is removing results.
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THeres already been a few shootings and bombings over the last year. Media relatively quite about it . . . .
 
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