Bristol church bans yoga

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omg YOU'RE RIGHT. Why i was stretching this morning and found myself worshiping elephants and cows.

Thanks brother.
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dont think you know what you dont BP. i'm not posting this to make you feel stupid, dumb, etc. i'm giving you this info for your own spiritual well being. from one christian bruh to another. so read it, let it marinate. dont hit that reply button to quickly. this is just a normal thecoli.com argument.

i was on your side when it came to yoga years ago and i wasnt even practicing it myself. what made me look deeper was my wife told me about a lady pastor that was discussing yoga and how she didnt feel it was compatible with Christianity. that turned my wife off. but i had to do some research. and once i put her up on game. she realized. maybe ole girl was right.

listen people if a Indian from india tells you its spiritual, if the basic definition of it says its "spiritual in essense" well ...then...its spiritual. stop fighting what it is because you want to keep doing it or you think it SEEMS ok for others to do it.


from a person born and raised in india among hindus.

Yoga in philosophy and practice is incompatible with Christianity
James Manjackal MSFS
As a Catholic Christian born in a traditional Catholic family in Kerala, India, but lived amidst the Hindus; and now as a catholic religious priest and charismatic preacher in 60 countries in all continents, I have something to say about the bad effects of Yoga on Christian spirituality and life. I know there is a growing interest on Yoga all over the world, even among Christians- and this interest is extended to other esoteric and new age practices like Reiki, reincarnation, acupressure, acupuncture, pranic healing, reflexology, etc. which are methods against which the Vatican has cautioned and warned in her document “Jesus Christ bearer of the water of life”.

For some, Yoga is a means of relaxation and easing of tension and for others is a form of exercise promoting fitness and health and for a few is a means of healing of sicknesses. There is much confusion in the mind of the average Catholic- lay and cleric- because Yoga as promoted among Catholics is neither entirely a health discipline nor entirely a spiritual discipline, but sometimes one, sometimes the other, and often a mixture of both. But in fact, Yoga is primarily a spiritual discipline and I know even priests and nuns in the seminaries and novitiates promote Yoga as help to meditation and prayer. It is sad that now a days, many Catholics are loosing trust in the great spiritualities and mysticisms for prayer and discipline handed over to them by great saints like Ignatius of Loyola, Francis of Assisi, Francis of Sales, St. Theresa of Avila, etc. and are now going after the Eastern spiritualities and mysticisms coming from Hinduism and Buddhism. It is in this regard that a sincere Christian should inquire into Yoga’s compatibility with the Christian spirituality and the wisdom of incorporating its techniques into Christian prayer and meditation.

What is Yoga? The word Yoga means “union”, the goal of Yoga is to unite one’s transitory (temporary) self, “JIVA” with the infinite “BRAHMAN”, the Hindu concept of God.. This God is not a personal God, but it is an impersonal spiritual substance which is one with nature and cosmos. Brahman is an impersonal divine substance that “pervades, envelopes and underlies everything”. Yoga has its roots in the Hindu Upanishads, which is as old as 1.000 BC, and it tells about Yoga thus, “unite the light within you with the light of Brahman”. “The absolute is within one self” says the Chandogya Upanishads, “TAT TUAM ASI” or “THOU ART THAT”. The Divine dwells within each one of us through His microcosmic representative, the individual self called Jiva. In the Bhagavad Gita, the lord Krishna describes the Jiva as “my own eternal portion”, and “the joy of Yoga comes to yogi who is one with Brahman”. In A.D. 150, the yogi Patanjali explained the eight ways that leads the Yoga practices from ignorance to enlightenment – the eight ways are like a staircase – They are self-control (yama), religious observance (niyama), postures (asana), breathing exercises (pranayama), sense control (pratyahara), concentration (dharana), deep contemplation (dhyana), enlightenment (samadhi). It is interesting to note, here, that postures and breathing- exercises, often considered to be the whole of Yoga in the West, are steps 3 and 4 towards union with Brahman! Yoga is not only an elaborate system of physical exercises, it is a spiritual discipline, purporting to lead the soul to samadhi, total union with the divine being. Samadhi is the state in which the natural and the divine become one, man and God become one without any difference (Brad Scott: Exercise or religious practice? Yoga: What the teacher never taught you in that Hatha Yoga class” in the Watchman Expositor Vol. 18, No. 2, 2001).

Such a view is radically contrary to Christianity which clearly distinguishes between Creator and creature, God and man. In Christianity, God is the “Other” and never the self. It is sad that some promoters of Yoga, Reiki and other disciplines and meditations, had misquoted some isolated Bible quotations to substantiate their arguments such as, “you are the temple of God”, “the living water flows from you”, “you will be in me and I will be in you”, “it is no longer I that lives but Christ lives in me”, etc. without understanding the context and the meaning of those words in the Bible. There are even people who portray Jesus as a yogi as we can see now a days such pictures of Jesus in convent-chapels and presbyteries - Jesus presented in yogi postures of meditation!

To call Jesus “a yogi” is to deny His intrinsic divinity, holiness and perfection and suggest that He had a fallen nature subject to ignorance and illusion (Maya), that He needed to be liberated from the human condition through the exercise and discipline of Yoga. Yoga is incompatible with the Christian Spirituality because it is pantheistic (God is everything and everything is God), and holds that there is only one Reality and all else is illusion or Maya. If there is only one absolute reality and all else is illusory, there can be no relationship and no love. The Centre of Christian faith is faith in the Holy Trinity, Father, Son and the Holy Spirit, three persons in one God-Head, the perfect model of loving relationship. Christianity is all about relationships, with God and among men, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the greatest and the first commandment. The second is like it, you shall love your neighbour as yourself” (Mt 22: 37-39)......

I - What is Yoga?
There is something funny about yoga. It is one of those things that can prompt double-speak, as I have found over and over again. Here is a typical conversation

"So, Father, what do you think about yoga?" Someone will ask.
"Well, I have some misgivings about it," I'll say.

"But what's wrong with yoga," they will press. "It's just exercise."

"Then why not try Pilates?" I reply.

"I wanted something more holistic, something that focuses on body and soul. I like yoga because it's spiritual too."

"Then it's more than physical exercise."

To get beyond this impasse in the Tibetan peaks and valleys of conversation, let's begin by analyzing a portrait of the typical yoga practitioner.[1] A 2012 Yoga in America study shows that 20.4 million Americans practice yoga. This was an increase of 29% since 2008. In addition, 44.4 percent of Americans could identify as "aspirational yogis"-folks interested in trying yoga. Among these millions, the most common yoga enthusiast is a youngish, upper-middle class woman.[2] Yoga is a thriving industry: practitioners spend ten to twenty billion dollars a year on yoga classes and products, including equipment, clothing, vacations, and media.

In and around the popularity of yoga stretches and twists, a vocal portion of the population nevertheless regards yoga as a way to become spiritually bent out of shape. Questions and misgivings arise, and people begin to wonder: what is this thing that some of my friends practice and so many celebrities preach - what is this thing called yoga?

At first glance, yoga is simply a great form of exercise. The top five reasons for starting yoga are: to improve flexibility, to aid general conditioning, to further stress relief, to improve overall health, and to promote physical fitness.[3] Doctors and practitioners both agree that, when practiced moderately, yoga can strengthen a person, help her lose weight, and give her more energy. It is also often associated with positive emotional well-being: because yoga calms the body, it often soothes the feelings. Adding on to the individual benefits, there are often attractive cultural aspects of yoga: it helps people meet beautiful people, so that they can become more beautiful themselves; it is often convenient; at a base level, it doesn't hurt the wallet.

Yoga, however, is more than a physical exercise with social benefits.
One indication of yoga's spiritual nature is the way it affects practitioners over time. The International Journal of Yoga published the results of a national survey in Australia.[4] Physical postures (asana) comprised about 60% of the yoga they practiced; 40% was relaxation (savasana), breathing techniques (pranayama), meditation, and instruction. The survey showed very significant results: although most respondents commonly began yoga for reasons of physical health, they usually continued it for reasons of spirituality. In addition, the more people practiced yoga, the more likely they were to decrease their adherence to Christianity and the more likely they were to adhere to non-religious spirituality and Buddhism.

In other words, whatever their intentions may have been, many people experience yoga as a gateway to a spirituality disconnected from Christ.

Doing justice to the complete nature of yoga, therefore, requires a more well-rounded definition: "A comprehensive system of human culture, physical, moral, and [psychological], and acting as a doorway on to the gently sloping paths that gradually lead up to yoga proper," that is, the spirituality of yoga founded in Hinduism.

Its aim is to control the body and the various forms of vital energy, with a view of overcoming physical impediments standing in the way of other, spiritual, forms of Yoga. Its object is to ensure a perfect balance between the organic functions. Its ultimate goal and true end is to prepare man for the acquisition of that repose of spirit necessary for the realization of the "Supreme", or for "experiencing the Divine."[5]

Yoga's religious and spiritual end is often forgotten or denied in a Western context; most people see it simply as a physical form of exercise. Such a simplification is unwarranted and dangerous. As we will see, reducing yoga to a mere beautifying technique frequently creates ugly effects.

it first starts off as just stretching/exercising. and you continue to do it for "spiritual" reasons. Its a gateway folks. sure not every single person will get caught slipping. but why even play around with a gateway? The bible says FLEE from sin. it doesnt say dance around it. Its like saying i can go to the strip club because i enjoy the wings. that may actually be true, but its naked chicks walking around the place. do you really want to flirt with that temptation? NO
 

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I'd teleport in there and spit some Yoga Fire all over the building. Then I'd leave with the priest's skull tied around my neck like a souvenir.
 

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As an indian who was raised Hindu, I actually understand this.

I understand that some people have adopted yoga as a form of exercise and that's fine, but there is a religious and spiritual component to the practice that is not in line with Christianity.
Not to derail this thread, but I thought you were black..
 

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I know you never said it, but your username kind of implies it.
Had me fooled since day one.

:dwillhuh: my username is a joke portmanteau of bro and proletariat lol :russ: what does that have to do with being black?
 

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it's.. so cute and fluffy breh
i would adopt that little furry breh in a second:to:
 

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:dwillhuh: my username is a joke portmanteau of bro and proletariat lol :russ: what does that have to do with being black?
The bro part. I mean, if you called yourself gayletariat, you can kind of make an assumption that you are gay.
Yeah, I get that it is a mix of bro and proletariat.
 

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Naive - having or showing a lack of experience, judgment, or information

dont think you know what you dont BP. i'm not posting this to make you feel stupid, dumb, etc. i'm giving you this info for your own spiritual well being. from one christian bruh to another. so read it, let it marinate. dont hit that reply button to quickly. this is just a normal thecoli.com argument.

i was on your side when it came to yoga years ago and i wasnt even practicing it myself. what made me look deeper was my wife told me about a lady pastor that was discussing yoga and how she didnt feel it was compatible with Christianity. that turned my wife off. but i had to do some research. and once i put her up on game. she realized. maybe ole girl was right.

listen people if a Indian from india tells you its spiritual, if the basic definition of it says its "spiritual in essense" well ...then...its spiritual. stop fighting what it is because you want to keep doing it or you think it SEEMS ok for others to do it.


from a person born and raised in india among hindus.







it first starts off as just stretching/exercising. and you continue to do it for "spiritual" reasons. Its a gateway folks. sure not every single person will get caught slipping. but why even play around with a gateway? The bible says FLEE from sin. it doesnt say dance around it. Its like saying i can go to the strip club because i enjoy the wings. that may actually be true, but its naked chicks walking around the place. do you really want to flirt with that temptation? NO
I can see where some yoga instructors do it for the benefit of their students spirituality, my "yoga instructor" is my BJJ instructor and the "Yoga" i do is more flexability and never for anything "spiritual".

The reason I say this is myopic is because as a Christian what "really" should we be doing if we are following the unadulterated letter of the word in 100% stringent adherence? Should you sell all your belongings and hit the road preaching? Are you doing this? If not does that make you less Christian?

I base my belief in Christ off of many things and YOGA is not one of them....
That being said, I could definitely see yoga being a stumbling block for some people, particularly if the instructor is on a "yoga for spirituality" tip.

I've been to some yoga classes where that was both a topic and focus and in THOSE cases, again, yes it does not sit well with me that a Christian be partaking in that for obvious reasons. The implications being made with the line of thinking that prompted this church to ban this teachers class are that the teacher and yoga she teaches are in fact damaging to a persons relationship with God...or again a stumbling block. The article clearly states that no one from the church had asked her about the class or attended to witness weather or not her style of teaching and yoga is a bad thing.

Let me ask you this, had the class been called, "Stretching & Relaxing" and NOT yoga would it be ok? In general is it ok to stretch and relax? If you stretch and happen to pray to God is that hybrid yoga?

Common sense escapes a lot of people far too often, i suspect this is one of those cases.
 

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I can see where some yoga instructors do it for the benefit of their students spirituality, my "yoga instructor" is my BJJ instructor and the "Yoga" i do is more flexability and never for anything "spiritual".

The reason I say this is myopic is because as a Christian what "really" should we be doing if we are following the unadulterated letter of the word in 100% stringent adherence? Should you sell all your belongings and hit the road preaching? Are you doing this? If not does that make you less Christian?

I base my belief in Christ off of many things and YOGA is not one of them....
That being said, I could definitely see yoga being a stumbling block for some people, particularly if the instructor is on a "yoga for spirituality" tip.

I've been to some yoga classes where that was both a topic and focus and in THOSE cases, again, yes it does not sit well with me that a Christian be partaking in that for obvious reasons. The implications being made with the line of thinking that prompted this church to ban this teachers class are that the teacher and yoga she teaches are in fact damaging to a persons relationship with God...or again a stumbling block. The article clearly states that no one from the church had asked her about the class or attended to witness weather or not her style of teaching and yoga is a bad thing.

Let me ask you this, had the class been called, "Stretching & Relaxing" and NOT yoga would it be ok? In general is it ok to stretch and relax? If you stretch and happen to pray to God is that hybrid yoga?

Common sense escapes a lot of people far too often, i suspect this is one of those cases.
nailed it
 

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They made the right choice. If I were a pastor I'd definitely stop my church members from looking at yoga, or zen, or any of that. They might fukk around and realize christian dogma is all bullshyt.
 
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