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Bron Ball: The worst offense of all time?
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any system works with enough talent*
Bryan Danielson
Jmare007 x Bryan Danielson x JLova = King Ghidorah
SO CAVS HAD 5 ALL-STARS LAST YEAR
NO REASON THEY SHOULDA LOST
Lost what? Games? I’m sorry..... I didn’t know the previous teams with 5 Allstars went undefeated
We’ll never know what would’ve happened in June...... but we do know Dan Gilbert made the changes on that team without talking to Bron
Martha
I don't see that as a valid excuse, breh
Lebron is as much the architect of his rosters as he is the leader of the teams he plays on.
You can't exercise that sort of power while simultaneously escaping responsibility for the results.
This argument always been stupid though.
You think that Lebron simultaneously should be the best player in the NBA and the best GM in the NBA?
Cavs have been one of the worst-run organizations in basketball for a couple decades now. In the last five years that they didn't have Lebron on their team, they got the #1 pick in FOUR of those years. That's how bad they are.
Let's pretend for a moment that this really is a "LeGM" issue, that Lebron really runs that team. You want to knock him for not being the greatest GM in the NBA, for not building a epic roster the way Golden State did now or San Antonio did before. And then you criticize him for not managing to build the greatest roster in the NBA, despite having limited tools with which to do it.
Do you realize how stupid a criticism that is? MJ has proven he's not a great executive, has that downgraded his legacy as a basketball player in the slightest?
Lebron can't lead the team on the court and be the greatest GM in the NBA simultaneously. And it's stupid to require that of him. If he's really calling the shots, then the only justification he needs is that he's better at it than the idiots who were running the Cavs before. And he's definitely proven that already.
Lebron set the bar so high that now we saying that unless he's the best player in the NBA, the best coach in the NBA, and the best GM in the NBA, he's somehow failed.
Scottie Drippin
Should Never Mention Me
Seeing Curry wreak havoc on the Cavs for the 4th year in a row now by just moving around without the ball compared to Bron allowing the Dubs to set up every defense they want on the other end by remaining static always brings this conversation up.
It's inarguable.
It's inarguable.
Yeah it's the offensive system not the overwhelming talent disparity.
Are you retarded?
What 7-8 years were those that Lebron could have "easily" won 7 or 8 chips if only he'd deferred to JR Smith, Mario Chalmers, Delonte West and Eric Snow more often?What's frustrating is, he really could have been the GOAT if he just refused to play Bron Ball. He'd have easily gotten himself 7 or 8 chips by now - maybe even more.
I love how in a single year, the argument has gone from "Lebron is no better than Dominique Wilkins" to "Lebron is the most talented ever and should singlehandedly have won the most chips ever due to his individual brilliance alone."And this is the root cause of all the toxic ass arguments back and forth about MJ vs Lebron. MJ delivered on his promise - some would say overdelivered. 6 chips, 6 FMVPs in 2 threepeats.
Bron has at least the same level of individual talent as MJ. Maybe even more. Probably even more, TBH. But he hasn't delivered. He hasn't turned that talent into 6 or more chips.
I mean, wasn't the narrative that Lebron can't shoot, has no handles, is an overrated passer and doesn't play any defense? That Lebron has an individual talent no better than Wilt (who only won 2 titles playing his whole career next to 2-3 HOFers every year in a weak era) or Bird (who only won 3 titles playing his whole career with multiple prime HOFers on one of the greatest organizations in basketball)?
Yes, Lebron is definitely one of the top three greatest players to ever play the game. But you don't win titles with individual talent alone. 90% of titles are won with great coaches, and Lebron has never had a great coach. 90% of titles are won by having solid starters at every position, and Lebron has rarely ever had a decent pg or decent center.
Lebron got two playoff runs with Kyrie. TWO. Other than that, his point guards have been George Hill (who only joined the team a month earlier), Delly, Chalmers, Bibby's corpse, Mo Williams, Delonte, Larry Hughes, and Eric Snow.
Lebron got two playoff runs with Bosh switched to the 5. Again, TWO. Other than that, his centers have been TT, Mosgov, Joel Anthony, 38yo Shaq, and a crippled Z.
Lebron's coaches have been Paul Silas, Mike Brown, Eric Spolstra, David Blatt, and Tyronn Lue. Outside of Lebron, those five coaches have won FOUR playoff series in their entire careers.
Silas only won 2 playoff series in his 12 years as a head coach. Spolstra has only won 1 playoff series in the 6 years that he's coached without Lebron. Mike Brown only won 1 playoff series in the 3 years that he coached Kobe/Kyrie-led teams and got fired three times in four years. Blatt couldn't even break into the NBA, and Lue ain't gonna get anything other than tanking gigs once the Cavs drop his ass.
Who was the better coach that was available but who Lebron kept from joining the team? Who was the great PG/Center who Lebron kept the team from acquiring? What was the magical salary situation which would have allowed the Cavs to build a Golden State-like roster, if only Lebron had be able to manage such negotiations more competently?
Ya'all can't build real arguments. This is an entire thread criticizing one of the most productive offenses in NBA history built mostly from players other teams didn't even want, and your only argument is "Large scoring totals on efficient shooting leading to 3 titles isn't enough, he should have had 7-8 titles easily."
So LeBron willingly chose to go back to a team that was one of the worst run over the last few years, why would he do thatThis argument always been stupid though.
You think that Lebron simultaneously should be the best player in the NBA and the best GM in the NBA?
Cavs have been one of the worst-run organizations in basketball for a couple decades now. In the last five years that they didn't have Lebron on their team, they got the #1 pick in FOUR of those years. That's how bad they are.
Let's pretend for a moment that this really is a "LeGM" issue, that Lebron really runs that team. You want to knock him for not being the greatest GM in the NBA, for not building a epic roster the way Golden State did now or San Antonio did before. And then you criticize him for not managing to build the greatest roster in the NBA, despite having limited tools with which to do it.
Do you realize how stupid a criticism that is? MJ has proven he's not a great executive, has that downgraded his legacy as a basketball player in the slightest?
Lebron can't lead the team on the court and be the greatest GM in the NBA simultaneously. And it's stupid to require that of him. If he's really calling the shots, then the only justification he needs is that he's better at it than the idiots who were running the Cavs before. And he's definitely proven that already.
Lebron set the bar so high that now we saying that unless he's the best player in the NBA, the best coach in the NBA, and the best GM in the NBA, he's somehow failed.
we won 7 games in a season foh 
Yes, if Bron would only defer to his teammates, then George Hill would become Steph Curry, JR Smith would become Klay Thompson, Tristan Thompson would become Draymond Green, and Tyronn Lue would become Steve Kerr.
So LeBron willingly chose to go back to a team that was one of the worst run over the last few years, why would he do that
Because he grew up his entire life in Ohio and was drafted into the league by the Cavs. Ya'all gonna blame him for that too now?
Ben.
Heisenbrook
TheColi is the poster child of blowing shyt way out of proportion
Whether it's Bron's stat padding or his "LeGM" status
Although to be fair to most of yall it's just 2-3 idiotic clowns repeating this shyt over and over
Whether it's Bron's stat padding or his "LeGM" status
Although to be fair to most of yall it's just 2-3 idiotic clowns repeating this shyt over and over
Forget that. Anotate to us why Snitchbe is better than BronSo LeBron willingly chose to go back to a team that was one of the worst run over the last few years, why would he do that