Bron taking plays off during games

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damn they tracking avg speed now? :pachaha:

but yeah how many other top players in their 30s played all 82 games this year? never mind that bron has also played into june the past 7 years straight. so what he takes plays off...and still winnin :win:
while being his team's main ball handler, best scorer, best passer, 2nd best rebounder, and best blocker. He played up until June for the past 7 years and was member of Team USA 4 times. :whew:
 
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BRON HAS BECOME ONE OF THOSE PLAYERS
WHO GIVE DAMN NEAR AS MANY PTS
BACK ON DEFENSE
THAT HE PRODUCES ON OFFENSE
IF THE OTHER TEAM ACTUALLY ATTACKS HIM.



So you've lost all attachment to the facts and are just making up your own story of how you want it to be?

:heh:

Kyrie was the "scapegoat" because that's the story the FACTS told.

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See how Kyrie is down there, lower than any other Cavalier? That's because he contributed the least amount of Total Points Saved on the defensive end for the team, to the tune of around -20 for the series.

See how Bron is way up there around +50 points saved on defense and +100 points added on offense? Wow, it's almost as if the chart represents the numbers, which represent what happened on the court :ohhh:

Statistics weren't invented by a Bron stan. They're there to help us better understand the game and separate the facts (chart) from the "other narratives" you would prefer to be true. But the facts are the facts, even if you don't like em :manny:
No, it's from a series "when the other team actually attacks him" :stopitslime:

This season no different
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That's not how that stat works.

TPA is based entirely on box score measurements (points, rebounds, assists, blocks, steals, +/- etc), therefore higher box score averages = higher TPA. It's just another iteration of BPM. Players who average a high amount of defensive rebounds get an artificial bump in defensive points saved. TPA is not a stat you use to determine who's actually playing defense, or "when the other team actually attacks him". Westbrook has been the highest ranked player in TPA, and defensive points saved over the last 3-4 seasons because of the fact he averages high box score #s (most notably over the last two seasons, averaging a triple-double):

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Does the obvious need to be stated where a "defensive points saved" metric which shows Westbrook (who instead of actually playing defense, goes hunting for rebounds - one of the worst defenders over the last couple of seasons), is ranked higher than Adams, PG, and Roberson?

I'll tag @Originalman, @NYC Rebel, @The_Third_Man and @Youhadasparkwhenustarted just so they aren't fooled by your bullshyt.
 
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The funniest thing about @GoddamnyamanProf trying to use "defensive points saved" in argument for LeBron, is that he shytted on a very similar defensive metric in this thread (one that showed LeBron was a bad defender) - Last year Lebron was 73rd on Defensive win shares, this year he is...

What is a defensive win shares anyway? Sounds like one of those who cares stat.
It is

Won't stop the coli faithful from creating another "LeBron seems like the best ever, but have you considered this one point that proves he's actually horrible and sucks??" flat earth theory type thread :trash:

:lolbron:

Absolutely cotdamn shameless.
 

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That's not how that stat works.

TPA is based entirely on box score measurements (points, rebounds, assists, blocks, steals, +/- etc), therefore higher box score averages = higher TPA. It's just another iteration of BPM. Players who average a high amount of defensive rebounds get an artificial bump in defensive points saved. TPA is not a stat you use to determine who's actually playing defense, or "when the other team actually attacks him". Westbrook has been the highest ranked player in TPA, and defensive points saved over the last 3-4 seasons because of the fact he averages high box score #s (most notably over the last two seasons, averaging a triple-double):

XYKGDWi.jpg


Does the obvious need to be stated where a "defensive points saved" metric which shows Westbrook (who instead of actually playing defense, goes hunting for rebounds - one of the worst defenders over the last couple of seasons), is ranked higher than Adams, PG, and Roberson?

I'll tag @Originalman, @NYC Rebel, @The_Third_Man and @Youhadasparkwhenustarted just so they aren't fooled by your bullshyt.


:huhldup:


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Lebron has been so bad on defense for so long now that he has totally lost the ability to anticipate where he should help,how to run out on shooters and how to play 1 on 1.
 

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this what westbrook should be doing tbh instead of wasting energy snatching rebounds from adams.
Those are freebounds, pleighboi :birdman::birdman:

Its every man for himself in these Oklahoma streets :ufdup:

You want the ball...then go and get it :birdman:


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That's not how that stat works.

TPA is based entirely on box score measurements (points, rebounds, assists, blocks, steals, +/- etc), therefore higher box score averages = higher TPA. It's just another iteration of BPM. Players who average a high amount of defensive rebounds get an artificial bump in defensive points saved. TPA is not a stat you use to determine who's actually playing defense, or "when the other team actually attacks him". Westbrook has been the highest ranked player in TPA, and defensive points saved over the last 3-4 seasons because of the fact he averages high box score #s (most notably over the last two seasons, averaging a triple-double):

XYKGDWi.jpg


Does the obvious need to be stated where a "defensive points saved" metric which shows Westbrook (who instead of actually playing defense, goes hunting for rebounds - one of the worst defenders over the last couple of seasons), is ranked higher than Adams, PG, and Roberson?

I'll tag @Originalman, @NYC Rebel, @The_Third_Man and @Youhadasparkwhenustarted just so they aren't fooled by your bullshyt.

:picard:

This was a vicious takedown :merchant:

Facts only :wow:
 

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At his age I don't have a problem with it as long as he doesn't point fingers at his teammates. He's an older guy and I can't believe they haven't found a bruce bowen type of player for him. But if you save up energy all year you better go all out in the finals. He needs to give full effort or they're gonna get their ass beat by the warriors or rockets. There's no reason to save energy at that point.
 

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At his age I don't have a problem with it as long as he doesn't point fingers at his teammates. He's an older guy and I can't believe they haven't found a bruce bowen type of player for him. But if you save up energy all year you better go all out in the finals. He needs to give full effort or they're gonna get their ass beat by the warriors or rockets. There's no reason to save energy at that point.
I agree. LeBron needs two defenders on the court with him as that nikka ain't gonna always defend
 

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That's not how that stat works.

TPA is based entirely on box score measurements (points, rebounds, assists, blocks, steals, +/- etc), therefore higher box score averages = higher TPA. It's just another iteration of BPM. Players who average a high amount of defensive rebounds get an artificial bump in defensive points saved.
LeBron and Love are both averaging the same amount of defensive rebounds in the postseason.

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Look where LeBron is. Look where Love is.

Try harder.
 
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