Broussard lists his Top 20 NBA GOATs w/Tiers

[Yagirlcheatinonus]

GOAT Bron been surpassed MJ when he beat the GOAT team and led both teams in all categories

 

[murksiderock]

No.

O and Logo were not pure PGs,
and Steph doesn’t go inside like Zeke did. He was scoring in the paint among the trees.

The only other pure points in the same breath as Zeke AFA that are Magic and Young Derrick Rose
- and they were damn near double Zeke’s size.

"Pure" point guard ...

These guys were points. In Oscar's and Jerry's day, the terminology was "lead guard" and "off guard", the terms "point guard" and "shooting guard" came into prominence after those guys' careers. In real time they were both viewed as "lead guards"---->what we all grew up knowing as the point guard...

People are stylistically different but they played the same position. Given such, its not even worthy of discussion calling Zeke the GOAT scoring point. He's not even in the discussion...

Ummm, peak for peak, how is Bron definitively better than Bird? Bird's peak numbers are just as good (if not better)than Bron's without him EVER getting the benefit of having an offense completely centered around him.

And while we're at it, Kareem always gets pushed to the top of the GOAT convos but his career is very similar to KD in that they're both great hoopers with questionable leadership. 5 rings with Magic (who was a finished product practically out the gate) and 1 ring with Oscar is great but how would it have looked if he ever was the sole person his teams looked to follow? KD has had a hard time since leaving GS and that's ignoring COVID messing up the Brooklyn run. If Kareem was the sole leader, I think he'd put up numbers without winning...

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Come on now, Bron did everything better than Bird, peaked higher than Bird, and was a substantially greater playoff performer than Bird. That ain't a serious post...

I'm with you on the Kareem point, though...

 

[BigTyme Records]

I feel Jokic will be on these list fairly soon

 

[Taadow]

"Pure" point guard ...

These guys were points. In Oscar's and Jerry's day, the terminology was "lead guard" and "off guard", the terms "point guard" and "shooting guard" came into prominence after those guys' careers. In real time they were both viewed as "lead guards"---->what we all grew up knowing as the point guard...

I know that; that has nothing to do with what I’m talking about.

Whatever you called your PG (most people still called it Point Guard; the last MF that used those terms on the reg was Chick Hearn),
most players who played that position were playing it like John Stockton. Pass first, pick-and-roll, get the ball to the post or find the open guy - take it yourself if necessary.

That is the archetype. If a little kid checks a book out from the Library about “How To Play Basketball“, that’s how the book
will describe what the PG is supposed to do. That’s why we call that a “Pure” Point Guard.

But we know the game has evolved to where guys don’t always play the position that way.

People are stylistically different but they played the same position. Given such, its not even worthy of discussion calling Zeke the GOAT scoring point. He's not even in the discussion...

That’s precisely the point - every position has different styles.
Even though there are players that blur those lines because of their particular skill sets, everybody tries to act like there’s no such
thing as players playing out of position whenever we start having discussions like this.

Big O was not no Point Guard. He was an SG that was ball dominant.
Just like MJ used to do when the Bulls went with the big lineup.
Him and Ron Harper are the starting backcourt, doesn’t mean either one of them are Point Guards.
Ditto with Ron Harper and Kobe. Kobe still isn’t a Point Guard.

Your only excuse for discussing Zeke as the GOAT scoring point is you were too young to see him play.
If you were younger than 8 years old in 1994, there is clemency.

 

[Taadow]

Dirk is better than everybody ahead of him on the regrets row, no way Charles Barkley and Karl Malone is better than Dirk. I’m taking dirk over Kd, Giannis and Jokic as well.

I was trippin’ until I saw you are repping Dallas. Lol

Oscar isn't a pure PG but Zeke is

Oscar was Chris Paul if you made him 5 inches taller.

You typing just to type.

You think Big O and Chris Paul are the same kind of basketball player?

That is a thought that you think?

 

[Shadow King]

I was trippin’ until I saw you are repping Dallas. Lol



You think Big O and Chris Paul are the same kind of basketball player?

That is a thought that you think?

Oscar has a book and he's described how he approached the game, so yes.

Theres nothing suggesting Oscar was "ball dominant SG" or whatever bullshìt you talking about above, and in the 60s the line between the two guard positions was weekly defined anyway since most SGs had a passive role on the court.

Being taller =/= a SG. You can't put Zeke as the greatest scoring PG by virtue of being small.

 

[Taadow]

Oscar has a book and he's described how he approached the game, so yes.

Theres nothing suggesting Oscar was "ball dominant SG" or whatever bullshìt you talking about above, and in the 60s the line between the two guard positions was weekly defined anyway since most SGs had a passive role on the court.

…except for watching him play the Big Guard position while Lucius Allen played the point. Lol
I know this because I’m a Bucks fan.
Lucius was the primary ballhandler, but you just couldn’t not give O the ball because he was that dude.
And O got so many assists because he played with two other hall of Famers on that squad.

There was a reason he was a Game Changer; but that doesn’t make him Chris Paul.

 

[Shadow King]

…except for watching him play the Big Guard position while Lucius Allen played the point. Lol
I know this because I’m a Bucks fan.
Lucius was the primary ballhandler, but you just couldn’t not give O the ball because he was that dude.
And O got so many assists because he played with two other hall of Famers on that squad.

There was a reason he was a Game Changer; but that doesn’t make him Chris Paul.

You do understand that Oscar has a whole decade before Milwaukee correct?

 

[Taadow]

You do understand that Oscar has a whole decade before Milwaukee correct?

Nope. Because I didn’t care until he got to Milwaukee. Again, I’m a Bucks fan.

 

[Shadow King]

Nope. Because I didn’t care until he got to Milwaukee. Again, I’m a Bucks fan.

So you on bullshìt lol

 

[Everythingg]

Come on now, Bron did everything better than Bird, peaked higher than Bird, and was a substantially greater playoff performer than Bird. That ain't a serious post...

I think the only thing Lebron is definitively better than Bird at is on ball defense. And even with his lack of athleticism while also playing in a league that played two big men in the post over today playing one, Bird somehow averaged more stls/blks/rebs than Bron does..

Compare peak Bron (Miami) to peak Bird (84-88) and tell me what the numbers say. Its easy to point out how Bron has the longevity argument over everyone, but peak for peak its not cut and dry that he has lapped Bird

 

[Illuminatos]

Magic in the same tier as Bron and Jordan is laughable.

 

[murksiderock]

I know that; that has nothing to do with what I’m talking about.

Whatever you called your PG (most people still called it Point Guard; the last MF that used those terms on the reg was Chick Hearn),
most players who played that position were playing it like John Stockton. Pass first, pick-and-roll, get the ball to the post or find the open guy - take it yourself if necessary.

That is the archetype. If a little kid checks a book out from the Library about “How To Play Basketball“, that’s how the book
will describe what the PG is supposed to do. That’s why we call that a “Pure” Point Guard.

But we know the game has evolved to where guys don’t always play the position that way.




That’s precisely the point - every position has different styles.
Even though there are players that blur those lines because of their particular skill sets, everybody tries to act like there’s no such
thing as players playing out of position whenever we start having discussions like this.

Big O was not no Point Guard. He was an SG that was ball dominant.
Just like MJ used to do when the Bulls went with the big lineup.
Him and Ron Harper are the starting backcourt, doesn’t mean either one of them are Point Guards.
Ditto with Ron Harper and Kobe. Kobe still isn’t a Point Guard.

Your only excuse for discussing Zeke as the GOAT scoring point is you were too young to see him play.
If you were younger than 8 years old in 1994, there is clemency.

Both you nikkas on bullshyt ...

I think the only thing Lebron is definitively better than Bird at is on ball defense. And even with his lack of athleticism while also playing in a league that played two big men in the post over today playing one, Bird somehow averaged more stls/blks/rebs than Bron does..

Compare peak Bron (Miami) to peak Bird (84-88) and tell me what the numbers say. Its easy to point out how Bron has the longevity argument over everyone, but peak for peak its not cut and dry that he has lapped Bird

 

[number21]

I can't think of anything Isiah Thomas did better than Tony Parker. He just took more shots.

 

[Taadow]

Come on now, Brown did everything better than Bird,

LMAO…except shoot, share the ball, and win chit.


You on dat JJ Reddikk type crack