knickscrusaderm
lead by example
No Kobe doesn’t deserve to be in Tier 1.
Let’s stop that.
Let’s stop that.
Broussard lists his Top 20 NBA GOATs w/Tiers
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Lmao
murksiderock
Superstar
For me bruh, it's unforgivable that you could be head and shoulders the best player in the NBA for an entire decade (70s), and come away with one title. Who else would be forgiven for this? Certainly not any modern star...
Homie played 10 years before Magic and won 1 title. Magic shows up and he wins 5 of the next 9 championships, I think it's abundantly clear that he wasn't the driver of contention the way Mike and Bron are...
Also, his 4thQ of the '74 Finals is forgotten over more modern chokes. Milwaukee was heavy favorites in that Finals, and got pushed to a G7 at home. In which he choked multiple free throws in the 4th and let Cowens, who was like a half-foot shorter, chump him out in the clutch...
It's a same energy for me, no modern star would be forgiven for that 4thQ performance. But this is more if a secondary detail to me, I just think it deserves to be mentioned...
The major one is his MVP to title ratio in the 70s, being 5 to 1. It's unforgivable...
Why do y'all Kobe stans continually to revise history as if this period wasn't that long ago?
Those Lakers squads were some of the most talented during that time.
Pau was one of the best big men in the league before he got to LA. To use the fact he didn't make an All-NBA team and was only an All-Star, once, is lazy ass analysis. A lot of that had to do with him being on a bad team and didn't get much publicity in Memphis, not that it was a reflection on his actual ability.
Man stfu. You moving the goal post by appealing to emotion fallacy. Chris Bosh made many all stars and he was in Toronto. I can name you a bunch of similae cases. I am stating facts. If you a great player on a bad team, you're making the all stars. so you miss me with your bs.
Just curious we going off just resume or Resume/Ability/teammates, etc?
murksiderock
Superstar
We can go off a combination of them all. You think KG was a better basketball player than Giannis?
Giannis hasn't had any teams as great as the '08 Celtics, but most of his teams were better than most of Garnett's Minnesota teams...
I agree, I really don’t have complaints at allDon’t disagree, these tiers pretty accurate
That's EXACTLY what you're guilty of.
The All-Star game is largely a popularity contest.
Bosh was in the East during a time where there wasn't as many competition for spots. Take for instance the 2007 game where he started - the starting forwards out West were KG and Duncan (Melo and Dirk were on the bench). Not only would Bosh have not started if he was in the Western Conference, but he would've been hard pressed to even make the reserves.
Regardless of that, Pau didn't just suddenly become this notably better player when he went to LA. He was 27/28 went he got traded to the Lakers, which by that time, he was already developed as a player, at least in terms of skillset and his physical maturity. His All-Star appearances were largely based upon him being on a better team and getting the publicity bump that comes with being on the Lakers.
Not only are you completely revising Pau's ability as a player, but you're undervaluing Phil Jackson's influence as a coach on him too.
Copy Ninja
Superstar
Who debated it? Bron stans?
You dudes have been downplaying him forever.Any unbiased basketball head will have Kobe in their top 10.
VegetasHairline
Veteran
If you're doing tiers than it's MJ and Bron at the top of the mountain.
Everyone else is underneath them.
Magic is not on that level. He can't possibly be when he was a secondary scorer for most of his career. He's not even on the top-50 scorers list; his career-high was 24 ppg during the fast-paced 80s. That's taking nothing away from his ability and what he managed to acheive, but there's levels to this, and getting buckets matters above all else.
Everyone else is underneath them.
Magic is not on that level. He can't possibly be when he was a secondary scorer for most of his career. He's not even on the top-50 scorers list; his career-high was 24 ppg during the fast-paced 80s. That's taking nothing away from his ability and what he managed to acheive, but there's levels to this, and getting buckets matters above all else.
curry pushed him out of the top 10Who debated it? Bron stans?
Any unbiased basketball head will have Kobe in their top 10.
its. basically kobe or shaq for the last spot - and not outrageous to pick shaq
murksiderock
Superstar
I'm not downplaying him, I'm a lifelong Kobe fan...Who debated it? Bron stans?
Any unbiased basketball head will have Kobe in their top 10.
Plenty of people have debated his historic placement...
No disagreement from me!KG is a better defender than Giannis.
