And in regards to sales, you take an Immortal Technique, even if he sells 5k that's 50 thousand pounds, don't tell me most people wouldn't refuse that off an album lol. Plus he's selling more than that.
Buisness And Networking (Everyone Enter)
- Thread starter The Ruler 09
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observe
Banned
No..95% of all underground rappers have actual jobs in real life..or go to school
This conversation is becoming tiresome lol. I don't know what your saying no to me for, I know a lot of underground rappers aren't making money, but I know for a fact some are. Brother Ali, KRS-One, Cormega, K-Rino, G Rap and a bunch of others are making money off album sales, shows, features and other shyt. Ali not that long ago bought a new house he owns out right. Through music. I know a Latino crew that ain't even have a deal and sold mad records out their car, they made a lot of money. 1000's,. There's an undeground rapper in the UK that made 300 thousand off a clothing line. Skinnyman makes good money off shows and was always working before the jail sentence. I've worked with rappers before, a lot, I know what shyts like. A friend of mine is a promoter and booked Wu for a tour. Yes Wu are famous but some of their member's are underground really and they still making some cash and are good. I know another underground rapper that has toured Europe. I know an underground producer that charges around $500 per beat and gets regular work, yes it isn't millions but he's making something, more than most people's monthly salaries. He's worked with Premo, G Rap, mad people.
Cole Cash
They took a hammer and sickle to my back
First off I want to say thank you for including me in this conversation. I can honestly say working together to try to make something happen, even if it fails, we dont know until we try. I personally would like to say coming from my perspective is that its tough to crack it in the music world, and its very hit or miss.
Some times you can get some decent coverage or a nice blog post but the work you put into it is the work you get out of it.
This week because i was on counterstrike 2, i finally got a mention on the ego tripland blog (yessss)
http://www.egotripland.com/counterstrike-2-decade-of-unkut-mixtape/
and i was very very proud of that. i also got an article written about me on a austrian online magazine here
http://themessage.at/?p=24412
All of this happened (on top of my countless features with unkut.com) because i took a risk. I reinvented myself, changed my name, put on a mask and tried to do something different. I put NO MONEY behind anything i did, i simply geared myself towards a target audience and put out the best quality material i could and it has now allowed me to make some great headway with some rappers i enjoy listening to.
@The Ruler 09
Features with named rappers help tremendously and draw attention from blogs without question. Guys like roc marciano, willie the kid, g rap, saigon, etc are easily accessable and will draw attention from the target blogs.
Dont listen to the bullshyt that certain indviduals perpetuate.
My idea is that @AsAboveSoBelow should be the rapper that we get behind, the reason why iis because he has a name thats already been built. He is, in my opinion, the most visible and the most talented with that visibility, hes already made headway in terms of his coverage.
This idea could definately work. I would be more than happy to contribute to it and use my connections to try to get visbility (this is a little easier if im on production) the thing is, like any other professional id have to be paid for my production if it was used simply because i am very good at what i do and i feel i should be compensated for it.
It takes money to make money, i made a good 225 dollars off of my album i put on bandcamp and majority of the sales came from the coli. Now imagine if it was a collective movement to help really push something and everyone who is actually connected follows through. You have to look at the positive end.
if you wanna PM me or call me, just let me know, im more than happy to help.
Some times you can get some decent coverage or a nice blog post but the work you put into it is the work you get out of it.
This week because i was on counterstrike 2, i finally got a mention on the ego tripland blog (yessss)
http://www.egotripland.com/counterstrike-2-decade-of-unkut-mixtape/
and i was very very proud of that. i also got an article written about me on a austrian online magazine here
http://themessage.at/?p=24412
All of this happened (on top of my countless features with unkut.com) because i took a risk. I reinvented myself, changed my name, put on a mask and tried to do something different. I put NO MONEY behind anything i did, i simply geared myself towards a target audience and put out the best quality material i could and it has now allowed me to make some great headway with some rappers i enjoy listening to.
@The Ruler 09
Features with named rappers help tremendously and draw attention from blogs without question. Guys like roc marciano, willie the kid, g rap, saigon, etc are easily accessable and will draw attention from the target blogs.
Dont listen to the bullshyt that certain indviduals perpetuate.
My idea is that @AsAboveSoBelow should be the rapper that we get behind, the reason why iis because he has a name thats already been built. He is, in my opinion, the most visible and the most talented with that visibility, hes already made headway in terms of his coverage.
This idea could definately work. I would be more than happy to contribute to it and use my connections to try to get visbility (this is a little easier if im on production) the thing is, like any other professional id have to be paid for my production if it was used simply because i am very good at what i do and i feel i should be compensated for it.
It takes money to make money, i made a good 225 dollars off of my album i put on bandcamp and majority of the sales came from the coli. Now imagine if it was a collective movement to help really push something and everyone who is actually connected follows through. You have to look at the positive end.
if you wanna PM me or call me, just let me know, im more than happy to help.
Axum Ezana
Driving in the fast lane
What's stopping someone who has start up money to buy a vacant lot? Refurbish an old warehouse and put cd burners all though it? put up a website to advertise and put yah music on youtube/twitter/facebook/instagram.....etc? Distribute your cds through cars and take over your city? You can still do shows on your own too and still probably get big time endorsments.
fukkyalifestyle
Superstar
Making music isn't that expensive however, paying the right people to get you out there is very expensive. You could be the next jayz but if you don't have right people working your music it won't matter.
observe
Banned
Exactly..anyone can make music..they act like just cuz someone can rap and they put money behind him that he's not gonna be lazy like most are and push his product..I know 100s of rappers that are good,,,and guess what,,most of them don't know how to sell music
fukkyalifestyle
Superstar
Yep, not even bout selling the music either you just gotta know people that know people. Now days label sign artist quietly and act like the artist created there own buzz then announced they just signed the artist to this huge deal. Little did the public know said rapper has been signed and for at least a year.
King Biko
A King With A Concubine
Here's a link to my work
http://www.datpiff.com/Biko-A-King-Before-The-Glory-mixtape.619214.html
My Instagram and twitter are @youngworld_biko
My email is musicfortheyoungworld@gmail.com
Whatever ideals y'all have I'm ready to entertain
http://www.datpiff.com/Biko-A-King-Before-The-Glory-mixtape.619214.html
My Instagram and twitter are @youngworld_biko
My email is musicfortheyoungworld@gmail.com
Whatever ideals y'all have I'm ready to entertain
Peace brother, this is one of the first mature replies I've read so far so props for that. We can't fail in this because we're helping someone. No-one's gonna be left bankrupt over this or in any problems, it's just positive, like you said you have to try to succeed. Personally I've helped artists do A LOT of big things ine past, many have also been signed, producers and MC's. And worked with numerous people, known MC's and producers and had music players by major people through major outlets.
Firstly, in regards to advice, if you need any advice or anything in regards to your career or movements I am more than happy to help bro. I am honest though so obviously have to be able to accept construct criticism but I don't mind sharing my opinions and support/advice. This is also what I mean in this regard, just trying to support eachother in everyway possible. I've had a good share of experience and have a fair bit of knowledge, so if I can use it to help people then it's all good. In regards to lyricism/songwriting/album crafting/commercial songs/singles etc.... And if others who are share the opinions it's a fair amount of feedback and gives you more insight into what the people think. Ok to start do you have a project out at the moment bro?
Congratulations on the magazine mention. I will check that out. After I hear some more work maybe when I'm doing the site I want to do I can also include you in some of the ish there and share your music among a few people.
Ah uncut.com , interesting, I'm aware of that site yes.
Yeah no doubt, I've also seen this. This names drew in more listeners from fans and people who may otherwise not have listened. It isn't the sole way to blow, far from it, you HAVE to be on your consistent grind too but it DOES open doors and have a positive impact. And you take into account you are paying a relatively minimal fee (as we'd be doing it collectively) and get back something with MUCH more value and even more potential value, it is good and sense business, but numbers must back it to make it work, cause then the small becomes large, understand what I'm saying? Yes your right, again I dialogue with a bunch of people, so I realize these things are possible and have been done, as have done them.
I can agree @AsAboveSoBelow is dope, there are many ways we could support, we could put him for instance on the feature track. If everyone down ALL puts in a bit for something like that then the whole benefit, but everyone has to do their part with no exceptions, can't have free rides, has to be mutual support or it doesn't work at all. I'd be willing to put in more $ for the collab idea. We could have a few of the very best MC's on the first collab track we do or something? How about producers? They could get involved too, anyone very dope producer here?
In regards to production payment, it depends what you mean. If somebody is going to buy beats off you for instance then that is cool. But in regards to let's say a beat for the established artist collab that isn't going to be possible, the reason being we need to direct all our resources collectively into the established artist feature as this is what would generate the extra recognition and open more doors. If we add on top of that raising money for production it starts to become too much. But look at it from the perspective of you are putting let's say $10-$20 down for something but then getting something of value of let's say $300-$500. For this idea personally I would be wiling to pay more too. As I know I could do things with these acapellas in the future that would make the initial investment seem minimal.
Yep, sometimes got to speculate to accumulate. And sometimes need to put selfishness to the side and help for the collective not just for personal benefit.
Thread title isn't misleading, that was what was initially included but it doesn't mean it is restricted to that. If you have ideas you are free to share... Business shyt I'd be interested in also from a non entertainment capacity.
People that have replied it's going to take me some time to get back to everybody. But I will try to get around to as many people as possible. Especially people who seem serious and are down.
Also those that have posted their music I will also be checking it out, for example King Biko as I have heard you spit and shyt but I have never heard any music yet so I'm eager to listen.
Also those that have posted their music I will also be checking it out, for example King Biko as I have heard you spit and shyt but I have never heard any music yet so I'm eager to listen.