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So hypothetically if the NBA decided to add 2 teams for expansion. Would you all let Tobias Harris and Al Horford go into the expansion draft pool?
Bust Simmons - Sixers 2022 Season Thread
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Horford yes, Harris no...
They could have both 
I’d rather have the cap space
I’d rather have the cap space
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Superstar
Preciate the backup with the details.HE DRAWS ONE MORE FREE THROW
WHICH IS NOTHING CONSIDERING
HE TAKES 64% OF HIS SHOTS
AT THE RIM.
HIS TURNOVER RATE DIDNT IMPROVE.
HIS "IMPROVED" SCORING EFFICIENCY
IS FOOLS GOLD.
HE JUST TAKES MORE SHOTS
AT THE RIM NOW.
HIS FG% HAS REGRESSED
FROM EVERY DISTANCE ON THE COURT.
EVEN AT THE RIM
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Yeah it's clear Ben has marginally improved which again is worrisome compared to his ceiling.
Andrew Wiggins ceiling is also sky high
Giannis should make it clear that Simmons can never be your top guy for those who think that we can build around him and not Embiid. Obviously Simmons needs a jumper, Giannis' jumper is FAR ahead of Ben's and maybe farther than Ben's will ever get to, and he's still gotten walled out of the playoffs in back-to-back seasons 
Bro I don’t get why people still say they’d trade Embiid and build around Ben. I see it all the time in the Sixers groups I’m in on Facebook. Plus the casuals who call WIP and 97.5 say that nonsense. I love Ben I wouldn’t trade him or Embiid. But the idea that somehow building around Ben who’s the Coke Zero version of Giannis is absurd to me. The real Giannis can’t make it out the East after back to back yrs winning 60+ or being on track to win 60+ gamesGiannis should make it clear that Simmons can never be your top guy for those who think that we can build around him and not Embiid. Obviously Simmons needs a jumper, Giannis' jumper is FAR ahead of Ben's and maybe farther than Ben's will ever get to, and he's still gotten walled out of the playoffs in back-to-back seasons
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Giannis should make it clear that Simmons can never be your top guy for those who think that we can build around him and not Embiid. Obviously Simmons needs a jumper, Giannis' jumper is FAR ahead of Ben's and maybe farther than Ben's will ever get to, and he's still gotten walled out of the playoffs in back-to-back seasons
Giannis is only 25 Ben is what 23 or 24?? Gotta let these players develop thru struggles..thats how you evolve...if they're really that caliber of player they'll be able to adapt... We've seen players over the decades struggle to reach the mountain top several years before winning it all due to holes in their game...only to get the job done laterBro I don’t get why people still say they’d trade Embiid and build around Ben. I see it all the time in the Sixers groups I’m in on Facebook. Plus the casuals who call WIP and 97.5 say that nonsense. I love Ben I wouldn’t trade him or Embiid. But the idea that somehow building around Ben who’s the Coke Zero version of Giannis is absurd to me. The real Giannis can’t make it out the East after back to back yrs winning 60+ or being on track to win 60+ games
It's not like a mentality issue though, it's a huge hole in skill deficiency. Maybe Giannis can overcome his, but it seems like a reach to even imagine Ben becomes the shooter Giannis is now - which isn't good enough - let alone the shooter Giannis will maybe become later down the road. Also, most guys who "struggled to get to the top" played really really well regardless of not making the Finals. Giannis' production drops off a cliff and this is the second year of that in a row.
Ben definitely seems to have some sort of mental stigmatism that's preventing him from shooting because his form on his jumpshot doesn't look broken... So that's concerning because if it's just a psychological thing I don't know what you do with that..but as far as developing your game there's several examples of guys guy from ground zero to serviceable... The most recent example I could think of is Lonzo...completely re-worked his shot and went from a 30% shooter to a 38% shooter from 3.... Brandon Ingram was a 29% shooter from 3 his rookie year vs 39% from 3 this year... Pascal Siakim was a non shooter who worked on his shot and now is at 36% from 3..TJ Warren etc etc..it's doable
Giannis has come up short in 2 series against two really solid defenses it's not like every team he plays in the playoffs he disappears.. I'm pretty sure we can go thru history and find other great players who have had a bad series or two... I think people in this day and age are overly dramatic about timelines and hyperbolic about players not fitting their created timeline...I mean Dirk lost to an 8th SEED as the 67 win 1seed... Got called soft a fake mvp etc ..then came back and beat the heatles later in his career
his numbers were pathetic that series too... elimination game 6 he goes 2-13/8 points/loses by 20+ ..and that was his mvp year similar to Giannis... People gotta relax a little bit with these declarations about who's a "winner" and who isn'tGiannis has come up more than short, he's been straight up awful. His production straight dropped off a cliff, and again it's due to a skill deficiency. Dirk didn't struggle cause he couldn't do something, he just didn't show. It's different. I'm not saying Giannis will never get over the hump, I'm saying it's unlikely Ben even becomes the shooter Giannis is now which Giannis has shown is not good enough.Ben definitely seems to have some sort of mental stigmatism that's preventing him from shooting because his form on his jumpshot doesn't look broken... So that's concerning because if it's just a psychological thing I don't know what you do with that..but as far as developing your game there's several examples of guys guy from ground zero to serviceable... The most recent example I could think of is Lonzo...completely re-worked his shot and went from a 30% shooter to a 38% shooter from 3.... Brandon Ingram was a 29% shooter from 3 his rookie year vs 39% from 3 this year... Pascal Siakim was a non shooter who worked on his shot and now is at 36% from 3..TJ Warren etc etc..it's doable
Giannis has come up short in 2 series against two really solid defenses it's not like every team he plays in the playoffs he disappears.. I'm pretty sure we can go thru history and find other great players who have had a bad series or two... I think people in this day and age are overly dramatic about timelines and hyperbolic about players not fitting their created timeline...I mean Dirk lost to an 8th SEED as the 67 win 1seed... Got called soft a fake mvp etc ..then came back and beat the heatles later in his career
I guess we shall see
I've got a couple ideas on how to fix the team, I'll roll them out slowly but wanna discuss this one with yall
Route 1: Ben Gone, Compete Next Year with Future Flexibility
Note: The original trade in my mind had Zhaire going to OKC and we keep Thybulle. If you think that works, even better.
CP3/LeVert/PG13/MLE/Embiid
Milton/Shamet/Furkan/Prince/Scott
Perimeter creation? Between CP3, LeVert, and PG you easily have that.
Perimeter shooting? CP3, LeVert, PG13, MLE, Milton, Shamet, Furkan, Prince, Scott means we'd have a ton of it and be an elite shooting team
Defense? CP3, PG, Embiid is a great defensive foundation to cover guards, wings, and bigs. Defend on the perimeter and in the paint. If you keep Thybulle then it's elite.
Fit? Spacing around Embiid so you can't double him, shooters he can kick it out to, and passers who can find him. Not too much pressure on any of our scorers, but not too many touches taken away either.
This team would be a real threat to win it all, probably the favorite coming out of a wide-open East. All you need to do is find a backup 5 to play 10mpg in the playoffs, use your MLE probably on a Marcus Morris stretch-4.
Worried about Paul George leaving? The "worst case scenario" of PG wanting to leave isn't actually so bad! By Summer 2022 when CP3 and PG are off-the-books, if we let those guys walk we'd have $70mil in cap space to go out and sign potentially two max FAs or just totally retool the team to join Embiid, LeVert, Milton, etc. in an absurdly loaded FA class with guys like Bradley Beal, KD, Kyrie, LaVine, Kemba, possibly Kawhi, and tons of role players like RoCo, Smart, Ingles, Dinwiddie, Rozier, Warren, and more
Route 1: Ben Gone, Compete Next Year with Future Flexibility
Note: The original trade in my mind had Zhaire going to OKC and we keep Thybulle. If you think that works, even better.
CP3/LeVert/PG13/MLE/Embiid
Milton/Shamet/Furkan/Prince/Scott
Perimeter creation? Between CP3, LeVert, and PG you easily have that.
Perimeter shooting? CP3, LeVert, PG13, MLE, Milton, Shamet, Furkan, Prince, Scott means we'd have a ton of it and be an elite shooting team
Defense? CP3, PG, Embiid is a great defensive foundation to cover guards, wings, and bigs. Defend on the perimeter and in the paint. If you keep Thybulle then it's elite.
Fit? Spacing around Embiid so you can't double him, shooters he can kick it out to, and passers who can find him. Not too much pressure on any of our scorers, but not too many touches taken away either.
This team would be a real threat to win it all, probably the favorite coming out of a wide-open East. All you need to do is find a backup 5 to play 10mpg in the playoffs, use your MLE probably on a Marcus Morris stretch-4.
Worried about Paul George leaving? The "worst case scenario" of PG wanting to leave isn't actually so bad! By Summer 2022 when CP3 and PG are off-the-books, if we let those guys walk we'd have $70mil in cap space to go out and sign potentially two max FAs or just totally retool the team to join Embiid, LeVert, Milton, etc. in an absurdly loaded FA class with guys like Bradley Beal, KD, Kyrie, LaVine, Kemba, possibly Kawhi, and tons of role players like RoCo, Smart, Ingles, Dinwiddie, Rozier, Warren, and more
Why does OKC do it? - Thybulle and the OKC 1st are great assets to get for CP3. A lot of people feel this is a potential deal with Zhaire instead of Thybulle, so with Thybulle it should be surefire
Why do the Clippers do it? - The PG stuff didn't work. He choked in the playoffs, seems to not be a great fit. Ben Simmons gives them the orchestrator they've needed offensively to give some direction, between him and JRich the two-way talent to retool and compete next year, and longterm controlled assets securing their future incase Kawhi leaves or removing the fear of PG leaving and Kawhi stays with no one to compete with
Why do the Nets do it? - Dinwiddie, Caris, Kyrie, KD will struggle to coexist as all need the ball in their hands. They've been looking to move a Dinwiddie/Caris for that third big guy and while Tobias isn't a big star he's a 20ppg scorer who is content without always having the ball, is great for the locker room, experienced, and has developed into a two-way contributor that they'll really need at the PF spot. Zhaire and a 2nd give them extra longterm assets
Why do the Clippers do it? - The PG stuff didn't work. He choked in the playoffs, seems to not be a great fit. Ben Simmons gives them the orchestrator they've needed offensively to give some direction, between him and JRich the two-way talent to retool and compete next year, and longterm controlled assets securing their future incase Kawhi leaves or removing the fear of PG leaving and Kawhi stays with no one to compete with
Why do the Nets do it? - Dinwiddie, Caris, Kyrie, KD will struggle to coexist as all need the ball in their hands. They've been looking to move a Dinwiddie/Caris for that third big guy and while Tobias isn't a big star he's a 20ppg scorer who is content without always having the ball, is great for the locker room, experienced, and has developed into a two-way contributor that they'll really need at the PF spot. Zhaire and a 2nd give them extra longterm assets