Bust Simmons - Sixers 2022 Season Thread

[Dorian Breh]

You can use that bubble team as an example. That team didn’t compliment Embiid or Ben tbh at all. Josh Richardson didn’t spread the floor and was mediocre in the playoffs. Al Horford just clogged the paint and bricked 3’s. With Ben going down we didn’t have a real pg to run the team. Neto is trash defensively and undersized plus in athletic. He was a net - everytime he touched the floor. Tobias was complete garbage with the exception of Game 4. Shake running point was the most frustrating basketball I’ve seen from this team, that’s including seeing Ben passing up dunks for himself for assists. Even if Ben played they were getting smoked that team Brand put together was horrible and we’re still dealing with the aftermath of overpaying Tobias and maxing Ben when we still controlled him for 2 more seasons . Trading Ben just to trade him is stupid but him coming back caps what we’ll do in the playoffs as does keeping Tobias. One or both have to go we’ve seen the exact same play multiple yrs in the playoffs. Tobias playing great in the 1st half then disappearing the 2nd half or games, and Ben progressively every yr in the playoffs regressing in production.​

So you'd rather be a 6 seed and get swept by the Nets or Bucks this year if it means we might have a better team next year?

Minus well shut Embiid down the whole year then and not risk him getting hurt

 

[Leasy]

It took Shaq 8 years and Frobe to get a ring

He couldn't do it with Penny

Embiid going into year 7 I think?

Simmons fourth year was last yr and he regressed and his stats are only a little worse than Giannis' year four stats

Embiid a superstar away... Simmons at best is a third option and he need confidence. I will give them one more year. Just add shooters everywhere. Give me shooters and a guard who can control the gwme

 

[JoelB]

How do you know the CJ deal can be done any time?

I guess that's the main difference in opinion.

It looks to me like any deal the Sixers can make will result in a worse team for 2021 season, thus wasting another yr of Embiid prime.

Look at the trade offers Sixers been leaking to the media. The only reason why Simmons is still on the roster is due to the front office trying to swing for the fences with the recoup.

Simmons averaged 12/8/8 shooting 34% from ft...going ghost in all 4th quarters. If we run it back as is, we beating Milwaukee? Brooklyn? Hawks will be a better team as well?

Worse regular season team...maybe...but i believe this roster can be better constructed for the post season. Or do we expect to run a 2 man game between Jojo and Curry on the way to the finals?

Do your job, or we bring in someone to do it for you. That's applicable to every job in the world but when it comes to simmons we

 

[JoelB]

It took Shaq 8 years and Frobe to get a ring

He couldn't do it with Penny

Embiid going into year 7 I think?

Simmons fourth year was last yr and he regressed and his stats are only a little worse than Giannis' year four stats

how many years did it take for Shaq/Frobe to get out the 2nd round

 

[jdashmaj]

So you'd rather be a 6 seed and get swept by the Nets or Bucks this year if it means we might have a better team next year?

Minus well shut Embiid down the whole year then and not risk him getting hurt

Where in what I wrote did I say that? I said we should just give Ben away the deal has to improve the team. Any deal they do needs to improve the team. But the problem currently started 2 yrs ago when we failed to run it back and Brand decided to overpay guys that didn’t compliment Ben or Biid. Currently if we try to run it back we might just be a 6th seed or swept by the Nets, Bucks, or Heat anyway. If Danny doesn’t come back we have a hole at sf. If you believe Tybulle all of a sudden became a dependable shooter . We saw what we looked like with Korkmaz as a starter against the Hawks but if you think this team is good enough as is idk what to tell you.

 

[Flex Luger]

 

[Leasy]

I love it

 

[Dorian Breh]

how many years did it take for Shaq/Frobe to get out the 2nd round

I ain't gonna slander Frobe. Once Frobe showed up, it was different. No one comparing Frobe to Simmons

 

[jdashmaj]

Andre Drummond had a solid yr last season. Hopefully it he’s better than Dwight I like this signing

 

[Rigby.]

Embiid hasn't shown himself to be capable of playing an entire season

And we saw in the bubble playoffs what a team focused completely on Embiid can do

It doesn't look like any return on trading Simmons will create a better team than that 2020 playoff team that got swept by the Celtics

You been beating an anti Embiid, pro Simmons slant for the past couple pages

We saw what they looked like in 2021 too, when Joel ain't playing with a dumb washed Horford, useless Josh Richardson, no Simmons and a hurt Tobias If you really arguing that Simmons being flipped would have them closer to 2020 than the 2021 playoffs (where Simmons did absolutely nothing to help the "focusing on Embiid") , you need help breh.

As people in here have told you, they haven't even entertained trades that aren't of tier 1 stars yet, so how do you even reach that opinion Joel-Seth-Maxey-Matisse-2021 Tobias alone shyts on that team

 

[Rigby.]

we literally just need a solid scoring perimeter forward and a table setting one and we're better off than where we were in the 2021 playoffs. Hill was solid on defense but didn't provide much of an offensive threat, Ben actively lessened Tobias and Joel's ability to get to their spots, Dwight was Dwight. I think Drummond can be better, but its about dog's mindstate. Can't see him being a better personality for the locker room, but we'll see!

Springer should be at least a Maxey in the back half of last season point of attack defender, if not a good bit better. Maxey should be even better defensively, which could allow for Matisse to slide into Ben's help defender role

 

[Dorian Breh]

You been beating an anti Embiid, pro Simmons slant for the past couple pages

We saw what they looked like in 2021 too, when Joel ain't playing with a dumb washed Horford, useless Josh Richardson, no Simmons and a hurt Tobias If you really arguing that Simmons being flipped would have them closer to 2020 than the 2021 playoffs (where Simmons did absolutely nothing to help the "focusing on Embiid") , you need help breh.

As people in here have told you, they haven't even entertained trades that aren't of tier 1 stars yet, so how do you even reach that opinion Joel-Seth-Maxey-Matisse-2021 Tobias alone shyts on that team

I am just trying to be realistic

As far as the Hawks series:
Simmons played terrible but Embiid frostied himself in the clutch as well.

At the end of the day if the games had been refereed equitably I think the Sixers would win so I don't make as big a deal of Simmons screwing up as other people. I think if Simmons had made the dunk the refs still would've figured out a way to give the game to Atlanta like they did in every other game that series.

As far as the future of the franchise:
I don't think the team gets better if you trade Simmons for picks and bench players.

Embiid is just too fragile and too big to be expected to carry the team night in and night out. Simmons had a terrible season but prior to this season proved that he could lead the team to a low playoff seed as the #1.

If Embiid is going to play 50 regular season games and likely only be available/at full strength for 75% of playoff games then we need another player capable of building an offense around and Tobias is definitely not that player.

If we can't get a player like that for Simmons I'd rather either try to run it back for Simmons or trade Simmons and Tobi, have Embiid just rehab his miniscus the whole season, develop Tisse and Maxey and tank for a lottery pick.

 

[Rigby.]

I am just trying to be realistic

As far as the Hawks series:
Simmons played terrible but Embiid frostied himself in the clutch as well.

At the end of the day if the games had been refereed equitably I think the Sixers would win so I don't make as big a deal of Simmons screwing up as other people. I think if Simmons had made the dunk the refs still would've figured out a way to give the game to Atlanta like they did in every other game that series.

As far as the future of the franchise:
I don't think the team gets better if you trade Simmons for picks and bench players.

Embiid is just too fragile and too big to be expected to carry the team night in and night out. Simmons had a terrible season but prior to this season proved that he could lead the team to a low playoff seed as the #1.

If Embiid is going to play 50 regular season games and likely only be available/at full strength for 75% of playoff games then we need another player capable of building an offense around and Tobias is definitely not that player.

If we can't get a player like that for Simmons I'd rather either try to run it back for Simmons or trade Simmons and Tobi, have Embiid just rehab his miniscus the whole season, develop Tisse and Maxey and tank for a lottery pick.

Embiid had a couple poor fourth quarters, Simmons had entirely bad games. If the refereeing is equal, then Philly skates by a team they were an immense favorite against and Ben is still a massively negative performing asset. If those bounces don't happen vs the Raptors and the other 3 all stars carry his ass to a championship, he still stunk... Either way, it's still self-evident that the guy stunk. He gets his props for being the lead defender on Trae, but it's not like if he was horrid on D, great on O, and they just survived with Matisse on Trae, they would've been worse off.

Idk how a guy who's averaging 30+ and was almost as important as Ben on D with one functioning leg is supposed to be mentioned in the same sentence as that guy.

They were 10-11 in 2021 with Joel and that was with easily Tobias's best regular season as a 6er. I don't know why I'd believe a Ben with even less confidence and fan/organizational support could carry them to anything if Joel misses time, and I CERTAINLY don't think a .75 cents on the dollar replacement (perceived) for Ben can't themselves go close to 10-11. Idk what we should do if we whiff on trading him at all, but you should explore every option up until the trade deadline IMO.

 

[Flight]

Danny’s likely gone now too…

 

[AAKing23]

Not mad at binging back Furk for 5 mil a year.

Drummond is better than Dwight at this point of his career

Georges Niang is better than Mike Scott so that's a plus

George Hill being gone is great, more minutes for Maxey

Danny Green not being brought back means Matisse will be a starter now



That's all I have for now, I'm still not really in the mood to talk about this team like that.