By which do you identify yourself first, race or sex?

[Poitier]

You're truly are one of the most retarded posters on this board. I don't know if you legitimately DON'T read posts or you're just so stupid that you read over them and just interpret them however you want

Any INTELLIGENT human being can deduce what it means for a Black guy and identity if they prefer to have friendships with other Black guys and not White guys or Black females. I'm sorry you were dropped on your head

 

[MAKAVELI25]

Any INTELLIGENT human being can deduce what it means for a Black guy and identity if they prefer to have friendships with other Black guys and not White guys or Black females. I'm sorry you were dropped on your head

You're a pretty stupid human being, I'm not surprised that you don't understand anything I've said

 

[Poitier]

You're a pretty stupid human being, I'm not surprised that you don't understand anything I've said

I've understood everything you said completely but your rationale is incomplete.

 

[MAKAVELI25]

I've understood everything you said completely but your rationale is incomplete.

My rationale is not incomplete at all, it's quite simple but seems to elude you. If you ever hung out with a group of males in real life you'd understand, I'm sure the coli posters who have friends in real life can attest to what I said

 

[Poitier]

My rationale is not incomplete at all, it's quite simple but seems to elude you. If you ever hung out with a group of males in real life you'd understand, I'm sure the coli posters who have friends in real life can attest to what I said

You still don't realize that controlling for one variable doesn't mean the other variable is more important

 

[MAKAVELI25]

You still don't realize that controlling for one variable doesn't mean the other variable is more important

And you still don't understand that I'm talking about basic socialization while you're referring to the Scientific Method, I'm sure you think I have no idea how Independent Variables and Dependent Variables work. You seem to lack an understanding of interpersonal dynamics that I'm sure makes you as unlikable in real life as you are online

 

[andre patton]

Ok cool. What was your point though? This is bunch of bullshyt. It's disheartening seeing how many Kobe Bryant "let's all pretend to be colorblind" type c00ns we have amongst blacks. Race being a social construct doesn't make it imaginary. Race is a reality of life for humans on this planet regardless of it being a social construct. You're lying to yourself with that "I'm only black around white people" garbage. Tell that to all of the black people who've spent any significant amount of time in Asia that they're not judged by their skin color. You're always black first whether you want to acknowledge it or not. You've got it ass backwards man. Race as a social construct is the classification of people based on phenotypical characteristics such as skin color. In that sense we were still "black"(meaning people with dark brown skin, kinky hair, broad noses ect) before whites were around.

Nope, your race is determined before your sex. Your race is predetermined by the race of your parents. Your sex isn't. You're "black" before you're a man or a woman. Do you not understand the rules concerning the concept of race or what? The race of a person is determined at conception based on the race of the man and woman.

It would be much harder to imagine myself as a white man. I easily relate more to black women than white men. I really question any black man who would say differently.

Come on man. This sounds like some c00n fantasy. The nerve of you questioning anyone's logic. The question is "what do you indentify with more race or sex?" not "who do you wish that you could be?"

You're one of those dumb motherfukkers that throws out the word "c00n" instead of actually having a logical discussion with people, so I wont engage in this discussion anymore.

I'll leave it at this tho...if someone saying they identify with their sex first, then race second, makes them a c00n....then the reverse of that, identifying with your race first, then your sex....makes you either a bytch or a homo. This is your argument, so I'll go ahead and call myself a c00n once you call yourself a bytchass fakkit.

 

[KinksandCoils]

And what exactly was wrong with his post?

Nothing other than taking the topic too serious.

 

[Gravity]

You're one of those dumb motherfukkers that throws out the word "c00n" instead of actually having a logical discussion with people, so I wont engage in this discussion anymore.

No, you're one of these weak minded insecure motherfukkers who gets his feelings hurt and can think if someone calls her a name. "You called me a c00nI won't participate in the discussion anymore. Your bytchass cried in the car You're just copping out but it's ok.

I'll leave it at this tho...if someone saying they identify with their sex first, then race second, makes them a c00n....then the reverse of that, identifying with your race first, then your sex....makes you either a bytch or a homo. This is your argument, so I'll go ahead and call myself a c00n once you call yourself a bytchass fakkit.

At this dumb shyt. What you just said doesn't make a lick of sense. A person identifying with their race first makes them a homo? What is wrong with you? Who gave birth to you? Who helped raised you? Who is in the struggle against oppression with you? Nothing wrong with taking pride in beig a man but don't get it twisted. You're always black first.

 

[Figdcotton]

Black then heterosexual then male.. shyt ends alottttt of speculation quick lol

 

[HollowPoints2]

Black FIRST.

 

[HollowPoints2]

GTFOH

You're only a black man around white people?

Go to Saudi Arabia, China,Japan, Taiwan, Korea, then tell me if they see you as black.

People see race all over the world regardless of where you go.

Get the fukk out of here with this color blind shyt

QFT. This is all that needs to be said. People are taking the question to mean more than its not.

If we're gonna get REALLY REAL...I'm only black because white people tell me I'm black. If I go anywhere on earth....I'm a man. Im really only a "black man" when I'm around white people. When I'm in my house...my mom see's me as her SON...not her BLACK SON. White people didnt come around until 10 thousand years ago...before that there were still MEN and WOMEN.

Race is just a social construct. You can remove my skin from my body....and I'm still a man. You can cut my dikk and balls off and I'm still a man.



The only reason you say "black female" is because you speak english and "female black" isnt grammatically correct. If you spoke spanish you would say "mujer negro" your point isnt valid because its just dependent on language.



The question wasnt "which march would you go to first" tho its what do you identify with first.

I dont even think this is a question...like it doesnt even seem as if people have an option in this case. Biologically I think we're humans first, then our sex second and thats just fact. Being whatever sex you are is so visceral to yourself as a person, people dont even question it. But they question race all the time.

Let me ask some of you this....would it be easier to imagine YOURSELF as a white man...or a black woman? Would it be easier to imagine yourself...the exact same person you are except with lighter skin, a better job, and less athletic ability....or to imagine yourself with the same skin tone except giving birth, and having to ride a dikk, and lacking any semblance of logic? Which one is easier?

 

[Ruck]

im white, and i voted race because of this country (merica). i really don't care when it comes to race, but you would be stupid to ignore that this country STILL has a racial problem. i wish i lived in a time where people didn't give a fukk about your skin tone, but this country invented stereotyping and it continues to divide.

 

[andre patton]

GTFOH

You're only a black man around white people?

Go to Saudi Arabia, China,Japan, Taiwan, Korea, then tell me if they see you as black.

People see race all over the world regardless of where you go.

Get the fukk out of here with this color blind shyt

I was clearly using "white people" to describe anybody thats not black. The context in which I used the term should have made that apparent. But you glossed over my point. Were people in West Africa calling each other black 400 years ago? No. Because there were no non blacks there. Thats the point. There can be no division of the races if there is only 1 race. But there will be, and has always been male/female.

People are using this thread as a soap box to proclaim their black pride or whatever...its completely irrelevant to the topic. Seeing yourself as a male, or a female first has nothing to do with how much you identify with being black. If the question was "Do you see yourself as an American first, or a Black person first" then yeah thats a whole different story...and obviously I would expect everyone to say Black first and if they didnt then I might start throwin around the word c00n. But male/female?

Lemme ask a couple other questions:

Do you see yourself as black first, or as a human?

What do babies know first. If they are male or female....or if they're black or white?

These are genuine questions, I'm curious what other people are thinking.

 

[HollowPoints2]

Of course the west Africans weren't calling themselves black four hundred years ago mainly because we were all a homogeneous group so there was no need to.but since we're here in the Americas as well as in the twenty-first century there are racial distinctions around the world. That is something you have to live with.

White supremacy is an ideology that is practiced all around the world affecting both genders equally which is why I believe you should put your race first. The only way to counter the ideology of white supremacy is to embrace your own identity proudly with no hesitation doubt or skepticism .

When non black ppl see us they see our color first regardless of our gender.

If you think otherwise then you're stupid dumb or naive.

I was clearly using "white people" to describe anybody thats not black. The context in which I used the term should have made that apparent. But you glossed over my point. Were people in West Africa calling each other black 400 years ago? No. Because there were no non blacks there. Thats the point. There can be no division of the races if there is only 1 race. But there will be, and has always been male/female.

People are using this thread as a soap box to proclaim their black pride or whatever...its completely irrelevant to the topic. Seeing yourself as a male, or a female first has nothing to do with how much you identify with being black. If the question was "Do you see yourself as an American first, or a Black person first" then yeah thats a whole different story...and obviously I would expect everyone to say Black first and if they didnt then I might start throwin around the word c00n. But male/female?

Lemme ask a couple other questions:

Do you see yourself as black first, or as a human?

What do babies know first. If they are male or female....or if they're black or white?

These are genuine questions, I'm curious what other people are thinking.