BYD releases battery that fully charges in 5 minutes with a range of 300 miles. Tesla’s newest battery was 4 years ago. Edit: Goes on sale next month.

[Pull Up the Roots]

You act like there aren't european countries with strong unions and a domestic auto manufacturing industry that don't allow EV's from china to be told there.

Germany, France, and Italy all have autoworkers making a living wage.

Yes, and what do those European countries have in common? They actively block cheap Chinese EVs with tariffs, trade barriers, and industrial policies that protect their domestic automakers while maintaining strong unions and fair wages. Even Germany, despite its initial hesitation, sees the risks and is being pressured into taking action. France and Italy are even more aggressive in blocking Chinese EVs because they know the long-term consequences of unrestricted competition with state-backed industries.

And that's exactly the kind of protectionism I'm advocating for. The kind that enforces trade rules to preserve domestic production, ensure a fair living wage, and protect the right of workers. If the US did the same instead of letting corporations chase the cheapest labor possible while demanding government handouts, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

The thing I don't get is why so many people on here have such a rosy view of China when they blatantly manipulate markets with massive state subsidies, flood global industries with overproduction to wipe out competition, and then cry that it's unfair the moment anyone pushes back. They're literally trying to accuse the US and EU of protectionism while subsidizing their own industries 3-9x more than Western countries. They block foreign competition at home, while demanding unrestricted access to other markets, too.

 

[010101]

WORK.*

 

[88m3]

goat vaporware


usual suspects sucking Xi I mean BYD off

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

Pretty sure they’re still much cheaper than most options here. Cheapest EV is the Nissan Leaf at $30k which is probably going to get nuked in price due to tariffs on other countries. It may be about $40k next year for a Nissan Leaf. Next cheapest is a Chevy Bolt at the nearly same price right now. BYD would still be about $10k cheaper after tariffs and before tariff prices affect the other cars.

It’s not about romanticizing China either. Only saying somebody in China faced with the same financial hardships as someone here in the states at least has the option for a cheaper brand new vehicle. That’s a game changer for someone who needs to save more money now and in the future.

You're assuming way too much about how Chinese EVs would actually be priced here. The trade relationship between China and Mexico is completely different from China and the US. Mexico has a free trade agreement with China, while the US has tariffs and stricter trade barriers. That's why Chinese EVs are so much cheaper in Mexico, they don't face the same import costs they would here.

Even if they made it to the US after tariffs, the final price wouldn't be anywhere near the "game changer" you're imagining. Import costs, compliance with US safety regulations, dealership markups, and so on would all drive the cost up.

I can't ignore the long-term consequences of letting a heavily state-backed industry flood the market unchecked. The fact that China blocks foreign competition while demanding access to everyone else's markets should tell you everything you need to know about how this would actually play out.

What is the solution though? How many parts of a car are made in America? Say we manufacture all the auto parts are in America. Say we put the car together here in America. What we will price be for the union and car company be to be happy? What’s the cheapest EV that can be “profitable” in America?

I think a 15k car is reasonable. It’s 2025. A 15k car is attainable by everybody in the US. Is it possible to make one though.

The solution is a combination of strong industrial policy, strategic trade enforcement, and investment in domestic manufacturing. Germany, France, and even China, actively protect their industries while we let ours wither. If we actually prioritized building supply chains here, enforced trade policies that required domestic investment, and supported workers with fair wages and union protections, we could absolutely produce affordable EVs without relying on exploitative foreign markets.

The real issue isn't just about labor costs, it's also corporate greed. Automakers spent decades offshoring production, cutting costs, and hiking prices, knowing there was little pushback. Could a $15k EV be made profitably in the US? Yes, but it would require sharp policy changes, like strong tax credits for domestic production, investment in battery manufacturing here, and actual trade policies that prevent companies from undercutting American workers while outsourcing profits.

I am not supportive of China being given unfettered access to flood the market, for the reasons I stated throughout this thread.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

combined post.

 

[br82186]

Don't surprised is Trump's hoe ass decides to block this car being released here stateside.

 

[SadimirPutin]

People are going to stealth import these lol

 

[Charlie Hustle]

Elon better hope their robo taxi’s and Optimus are next level.







Of course we won’t be able to buy cheap in America.

I can’t wait! I’m going to take the robo taxis and I’m leaving bed bug and roach eggs in it.

 

[IIVI]

You're assuming way too much about how Chinese EVs would actually be priced here. The trade relationship between China and Mexico is completely different from China and the US. Mexico has a free trade agreement with China, while the US has tariffs and stricter trade barriers. That's why Chinese EVs are so much cheaper in Mexico, they don't face the same import costs they would here.

Even if they made it to the US after tariffs, the final price wouldn't be anywhere near the "game changer" you're imagining. Import costs, compliance with US safety regulations, dealership markups, and so on would all drive the cost up.

I can't ignore the long-term consequences of letting a heavily state-backed industry flood the market unchecked. The fact that China blocks foreign competition while demanding access to everyone else's markets should tell you everything you need to know about how this would actually play out.



The solution is a combination of strong industrial policy, strategic trade enforcement, and investment in domestic manufacturing. Germany, France, and even China, actively protect their industries while we let ours wither. If we actually prioritized building supply chains here, enforced trade policies that required domestic investment, and supported workers with fair wages and union protections, we could absolutely produce affordable EVs without relying on exploitative foreign markets.

The real issue isn't just about labor costs, it's also corporate greed. Automakers spent decades offshoring production, cutting costs, and hiking prices, knowing there was little pushback. Could a $15k EV be made profitably in the US? Yes, but it would require sharp policy changes, like strong tax credits for domestic production, investment in battery manufacturing here, and actual trade policies that prevent companies from undercutting American workers while outsourcing profits.

I am not supportive of China being given unfettered access to flood the market, for the reasons I stated throughout this thread.

Double the price on the Chinese vehicles due to tariffs and it’s still cheaper than the lowest EV vehicle sold here in the states, by $8k-$10k. Doubt it gets to be that much, unless the U.S wants to block it which most likely they are.

At 160% markup, then it starts being similar in price.

Sorry, it’s a good deal to me and most people honestly. China is lucky here to get cheap vehicles.

 

[Strapped]

Y'all gone have to leave to get into a cheap electric vehicle

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

Double the price on the Chinese vehicles due to tariffs and it’s still cheaper than the lowest EV vehicle sold here in the states, by $8k-$10k. Doubt it gets to be that much, unless the U.S wants to block it which most likely they are.

At 160% markup, then it starts being similar in price.

You're still assuming these cars would stay significantly cheaper, but Europe already shows us how tariffs and regulations level the playing field there. There are several BYD models sold in Europe, but there are also several domestic models that are much cheaper, which flies in the face of your assumption. The US would do the same, and should, unless you think we should just let subsidized foreign companies wipe out our own industries with state-backed overproduction.

I think some of you are misunderstanding what I am arguing. This isn't about mindless nationalism or blindly defending the US. Our economic policies have largely favored corporate interests over workers for decades, and that has come at a cost. When I talk about trade barriers and protectionism, I'm not advocating for isolationism or closing ourselves off from the world. I'm advocating for policies that prioritize our workers, industries, and long-term stability over short-term profits and cheap imports.

I'm not against cheap EVs, but cheap at what cost?

 

[IIVI]

You're still assuming these cars would stay significantly cheaper, but Europe already shows us how tariffs and regulations level the playing field there. There are several BYD models sold in Europe, but there are also several domestic models that are much cheaper, which flies in the face of your assumption. The US would do the same, and should, unless you think we should just let subsidized foreign companies wipe out our own industries with state-backed overproduction.

I think some of you are misunderstanding what I am arguing. This isn't about mindless nationalism or blindly defending the US. Our economic policies have largely favored corporate interests over workers for decades, and that has come at a cost. When I talk about trade barriers and protectionism, I'm not advocating for isolationism or closing ourselves off from the world. I'm advocating for policies that prioritize our workers, industries, and long-term stability over short-term profits and cheap imports.

I'm not against cheap EVs, but cheap at what cost?

I doubled the price, that’s a highly significant price jump and it’s still cheaper than anything here by a whole lot.

Honestly, I can lowkey care less about all that other stuff. I see cheap vehicle.

I guess I’m fiscally conservative that way.

 

[romeodunn]

Yes, and what do those European countries have in common? They actively block cheap Chinese EVs with tariffs, trade barriers, and industrial policies that protect their domestic automakers while maintaining strong unions and fair wages. Even Germany, despite its initial hesitation, sees the risks and is being pressured into taking action. France and Italy are even more aggressive in blocking Chinese EVs because they know the long-term consequences of unrestricted competition with state-backed industries.

And that's exactly the kind of protectionism I'm advocating for. The kind that enforces trade rules to preserve domestic production, ensure a fair living wage, and protect the right of workers. If the US did the same instead of letting corporations chase the cheapest labor possible while demanding government handouts, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

The thing I don't get is why so many people on here have such a rosy view of China when they blatantly manipulate markets with massive state subsidies, flood global industries with overproduction to wipe out competition, and then cry that it's unfair the moment anyone pushes back. They're literally trying to accuse the US and EU of protectionism while subsidizing their own industries 3-9x more than Western countries. They block foreign competition at home, while demanding unrestricted access to other markets, too.

Do you feel this current administration is handling the issue appropriately? (you made some good points)

 

[Rice N Beans]

I'm not against cheap EVs, but cheap at what cost?

Odds are they'd come thru and complete the mission. That is, competitive waging, domestic building, etc. and shore it up with the non-NA sales. We've seen this before with the Japanese in both the automobile and motorcycle market, and they eventually folded the US companies with the protectionist tariffs and extra local-factory-and-material goals on top.

Even with the uphill playbook, they would find a way.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

Do you feel this current administration is handling the issue appropriately? (you made some good points)

Absolutely not. None of what Trump is attempting will help domestically. His policies have never prioritized Americans or American workers (that's true for other presidents too). They always prioritized corporate profits over anything else.