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Dame said he was actually gonna do it. Biggs talked him out of it saying "all 3 of us worked hard for that album"
Cam'Ron And Dame ...why did they not start up or continue the ROC after Jay left?
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This. Dame was burning bridges from DAY ZERO and prolly thought that he could lay golden eggs just like his prized goose. The Def Jam staff simply put up with his ish because they (Rocafella) sold a few units and the label didnt want to rock the boat while Jay was on it. I'm sure there were times that Dame felt like he was bulletproof, but later got his Negro wake up card and hasnt recovered since.
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DontEemTry
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They worked hard for all the albums though. Why did they want to hold onto that one instead of the brand as a whole?
Something else was up.
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To me Dame and Cam was a great match unless Cam did not want to partner with Dame for some reason
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Because we believed in [Reasonable Doubt] so much, you couldn’t even tell me that it wasn’t going to be the best album that was ever made. It’s funny because it became that. Years later when you reflect, you’re like, you were so arrogant and everyone said you were a f*cking a$$hole because you were so arrogant but I was right.
I said ‘he will be the greatest rapper of all time’. I said that 15 years ago not to put it all on me. It was a lot of fighting. It was at a time when people told me he was the worst rapper. I had been shopping him and everyone told me he raps too fast so I said I’ll just do it myself. I always go back to that now. Once we got into business, other people made money off of what we did and we had partners. All we did was become a slave to their agendas and we didn’t even realize it. I just remembered being manipulated just because we were young. I remember certain little things that were done to manipulate…some worked and some didn’t. I’ve seen a lot of people that I care about get twisted. Those days were fun because I respected everybody 100% so it was unconditional love, no jade. I miss those days.
On his current business relationship with Jay-z
No matter what, we’re still in business together because me, Biggs and Jay still own “Reasonable Doubt.” That was our independent record and that was the one I fought so hard to own and it’s the only one that still sells because it was that good, it was when we were pure. If it was coke, it was pure A1, grade A, uncut coke. The other ones were like, “we’re just trying to sell records”. That one was like, “I’m going to make an album and quit” and that was that. Alright, that was gangsta that will be the best one ever made’. We fought hard for that one; that was the one we fought the hardest for, so yeah, it’s the best.
Jay-z pegs ‘Reasonable Doubt’ as his ‘baby’. In an interview with XXL, he revealed that if he was given 100% ownership of the masters to ‘Reasonable Doubt’ he would have given up the rest of his masters, his position at Def Jam and Roc-a-fella Records.
So I was like, let me get Reasonable Doubt and I’ll give up [the rest of] my masters. I’ll give up Roc-A-Fella Records, I’ll give up president and CEO of Def Jam Recordings—everything. Just give me my baby to hold on to so 10 years down the line, I can look back and I got something—I’m not empty-handed. And I was the one being offered everything. I thought it was more than fair… And when that was turned down, I had to make a choice. I’ll leave that for the people to say what choice they would’ve made. That’s about it. I don’t really wanna talk about Dame or Biggs. I don’t have nothing negative to say about them.
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They didn't own the masters to the other albums. Def jam did. RD wasn't on def jam originally. So jay was asking them to give up ownership of the one record they did own
If you remember jay got his masters after the president deal. 10 years later or some shyt, he'd own the masters to all his def jam albums.
That's why dame was saying they'd always be in business cause they all still own the masters to that one album
All in all. Heart over mind. Dumbest business decision ever. Biggs locked up for trying to run a drug ring and dame broke as hell happy to get backstage pics with jay
I dont think so...
Dame knew what these nikkas were really trying to do..He even made mention to it on backstage tour when Bleek had on a Def Jam jacket and not a Roc-A-Fella one..It might seem small,but if you look at what ended up happening,he was exactly right...
I think Dame really cares about the culture and was fighting the good fight...
Was he perfect??Hell no....
But I believed he really cared and its a shame that he went down the way he did..
Dame is far from broke...
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If Dame cared about the culture then why was he stealing State Prop money? Notice this is out of Beans own mouth.
Dame is that dude who openly popped tags on camera and bragged about not wearing the same white tees and socks a second time. Dude traveled with a videographer who also had a videographer. I bet he sits in a dark room in his shack, watching that old footage like
while wearing a dingy 3X tee (that fits).Dame cared about the culture to a degree but also behaved like he wanted to prove that these talking heads at Def Jam couldnt "win" over him. He didnt want to be controlled, which is fine because we need more owners. But he did his fair share of shucking and jiving (dancing all in the videos, Armadale bottles) and dug his own grave.
Dame is that dude who openly popped tags on camera and bragged about not wearing the same white tees and socks a second time. Dude traveled with a videographer who also had a videographer. I bet he sits in a dark room in his shack, watching that old footage like
Dame cared about the culture to a degree but also behaved like he wanted to prove that these talking heads at Def Jam couldnt "win" over him. He didnt want to be controlled, which is fine because we need more owners. But he did his fair share of shucking and jiving (dancing all in the videos, Armadale bottles) and dug his own grave.
Puff do/does the same thing...That has nothing to do with what Im saying..
They were making decisions without his consent....How is Def Jam going to make decisions on behalf of Roc-A-Fella???He just didnt know that Jay was snaking him..
Did you actually watch these dvds and understand his beefs??
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According to a statement written by Dash in response to a lawsuit filed against the 42 year old former Roc La Familia music mogul, he is “currently several months behind in paying my personal bills” and “over $100,000 behind in rent for the only home in which I live and at risk of being evicted.”
Now maybe he ain't living under a bridge broke, but he damn sure ain't, I own rocafella rich either
All I'm saying is for a business man, that was a horrible business decision. Swallow your pride, give up the masters, and he'd have the entire roc label and artists under his wing still to this day
He brought all of this up when he aligned with 50...This is when 50 and jay were going at it...
It was well known that Beans was a pure knucklehead....
Im not saying Dash was perfect by any means,but I do believed he cared to a large extent...
yeah I understand.
Puff does him because he owns damn near all of his artists masters/catalogs and can eat off that forever. The shucking and jiving works for him because he is the brand. Being visible is his asset even if he never makes music again.
Dame/Biggs/Jay sold pieces of Rocafella to Def Jam and surrendered control little by little thru the nature of Def Jam owning half the damn company. The way it seems was that the people who wanted to work with Jay flat out told him that he didnt need Dame/Biggs and was better off without them, which has proven to be true. Who wants to sit thru a meeting and have Dame come in shytting on everyone and threatening to hold the place hostage. Def Jam gaining a bigger stake in the label turned Dame into a middle man. They didnt need his people promoting, designing album covers, liaising with the media or doing A&R because they had the ability to do it on their own.