Can an argument be made that todays rappers are more talented than "golden era" rappers??

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

What does that mean? I've never listened to a beat and said "this is so broad" to myself.

You want everything to sound like The Infamous. It's 20 years later fam. Rap didn't even sound the same 2 years after the peak of boom bap, and you want kids who weren't even alive for that shyt to feel it the way you do. You need some perspective fam

 

[BronxFleeZ]

In order to be better you must learn

 

[Cryptocurrency Scarface]

Lil Uzi "XO Tour Life" is an example of a record from today being outta the league of the golden age rappers... they could never create something as catchy or musical as that.... and I dont even like Uzi... but todays young nikkas are too catchy wit it.... too many flows... too many melodies.... so many hot beats.... its different... cant really compare the two cause theyre bringing different shyt to the table but I love the new shyt.

Dudes who abuse auto tune aren't exactly the best musicians either .

even musically a lot of that shyt sounds wack to me cause they're off key as fukk.

Guys like Rakim and Biggie are/were masters of verbal percussion. @Art Barr school this dude

 

[ISO]

what songs out now are going to be considered classics 10 to 20 years down the line

Plenty.

 

[Henri Christophe]

Dudes who abuse auto tune aren't exactly the best musicians either even musically a lot of that shyt sounds wack to me cause they're off key as fukk

YOU dont like it.... but its been out for a month and already 50M+ plays on soundcloud... so SOMEONE likes it...

you golden age nikkas love acting like your taste dictates the market.. it doesnt....


were the 80s nikkas acting like this back in the 90s? you nikkas just need to pack it up, make a spotify account and listen to your 90s classics... no ones forcing you to listen to the young nikka shyt


I definitely wont be listening to the young nikka shyt when I'm 40.. imma be listening to MY shyt

 

[Cryptocurrency Scarface]

YOU dont like it.... but its been out for a month and already 50M+ plays on soundcloud... so SOMEONE likes it...

you golden age nikkas love acting like your taste dictates the market.. it doesnt....


were the 80s nikkas acting like this back in the 90s? you nikkas just need to pack it up, make a spotify account and listen to your 90s classics... no ones forcing you to listen to the young nikka shyt


I definitely wont be listening to the young nikka shyt when I'm 40.. imma be listening to MY shyt

Well I like Kendrick Lamar and right now this nikka is killing it

He's also 2 years older than me

 

[DANJ!]

So by the things people are citing as assets to the newer artists...

Is R&B also better now too because these nikkas also experiment with rapping and cursing and dressin' more like street dudes... because to younger people, well-written smooth R&B isn't as interesting? Does Stevie Wonder not compare the greatness of Trey Songz because he doesn't have the swag or energy he has or whatever the fukk?

Rappers from the 80s/90s were concerned with rapping. That's what they did. They told stories, they used different techniques, they didn't all use the same flow, they didn't give a fukk about singing because if they did, they could've just made R&B... if you actually view these things as a discredit to the artists of that era, then I'd assume you really don't know what you're talkin' about on this topic.

 

[semicko82]

Lil Uzi - XO Tour Life.... like 40 Migos records..... Meek got joints.... Drake got joints.... I'm not bouta sit here and name every one..... because the people who actually enjoy today's music understand the point of the thread... if you're not even into todays era of music, theres nothing I can say to change your mind...we have streaming now... you can listen to all the old classics you want

Keep in mind, I actually love BOTH eras (yes, its possible) but I understand both are bringing something different to the table


the old heads had BARS.... the young nikkas got HITS (without sampling hits or getting some random chick in the booth).... the young nikkas got ENERGY... the young nikkas got flows that never been heard before (songwriting).. thats why they take it so personal when someone jacks their flow I guess... its just DIFFERENT........ the producers are so much more epic in their production too which plays a big role in the music too....



comparing the sauce of today to the sauce of yesterday is like comparing apples and oranges....

you either like it or you dont.... but we have streaming, so you can enjoy what you prefer

I'm not dissing this era just chill. I'm just asking a question.

 

[mobbinfms]

Breh, there is a lot more fire production going on than just trap, listen to the shyt from the TDE camp, cardo, clams casino, statik selekta, hell even drake's boy 40, justice league...and a whole bunch of other shyt I can't name cuz i don't really clock producers

I agree. But most of that is more conventional hip hop production.

 

[mobbinfms]

My brother used to pay me what was hot shyt in the 80's and I completely respect the impact it had back then, but I wasn't @ that shyt the way I was when I heard a dope Pac, bone, or DMX s

California Love is an EPMD song.
DMX's first single? An EPMD song.
Even if you didnt like 80s hip hop, much of it was being repackaged for you whether you realized it or not.

 

[mobbinfms]

You're using the "call it some thing else" where it's convenient for you. That shyt from the late 70's-mid 80s should technically be the only thing called hip hop then because by the mid 90's it had changed dramatically. pretty sure some jive turkeys who only appreciated the dawn of hip hop were sitting around listening to boom bap and "dunny" talk with a look of

The first big change was when the music was first recorded.
But to your point, I'm not aware of any pioneers who labeled Rakim, KRS and Kane as not hip hop. There was an issue with gangsta Rap because of content, but a contention that it wasn't hip hop? I don't know about that.
@IllmaticDelta wouldnknow the answer.

At the end of the day, we can't call everything hip hop. Is there some reason the mumble singing hasn't to be called hip hop? Most of the proponents of that music view the 90s as dusty anyway.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

California Love is an EPMD song.
DMX's first single? An EPMD song.
Even if you didnt like 80s hip hop, much of it was being repackaged for you whether you realized it or not.

lol @ cherry picking certain songs, and EPMD? i'd squarely place california love as a kleer and roger troutman sample. let's not play the who sampled what first game, it's pointless. but funny you say EMPD because that's one of my top 5 groups, but i'm talking stuff pre-88...the real remedial days of rhyming. that shyt isn't impressive to me, sonically and technically shyt was day and night from 84-94. same thing is going on now, why would i expect someone whose earliest memories of hip hop are lil wayne's run to have the same reverence for a dru down or black moon record? and i'm not sure why you can't accept that hip hop has gotten more diverse sonically, especially with the move away from samples. trap is just as hip hop as boom bap, g funk, timbo and pharrell's futuristic beats, etc.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

The first big change was when the music was first recorded.
But to your point, I'm not aware of any pioneers who labeled Rakim, KRS and Kane as not hip hop. There was an issue with gangsta Rap because of content, but a contention that it wasn't hip hop? I don't know about that.
@IllmaticDelta wouldnknow the answer.

At the end of the day, we can't call everything hip hop. Is there some reason the mumble singing hasn't to be called hip hop? Most of the proponents of that music view the 90s as dusty anyway.

1) it doesn't have to be pioneers, just listeners, as you are. someone who was fukking with hip hop in 70's - mid 80's prolly looked at it in 96/97 and said wtf?...same thing you're doing now.

2) cats like bone, nelly, 50 and ja opened the genre to being inclusive of singing/melodic rapping so i'm not sure why the beef is with the kids doing it when the old heads opened the gates. if what they did got to be rap or hip hop, i don't see the difference now, they're rapping, regardless of if they mumble thru the bars or "sing" parts of them (don't take me as c/s'ing all the wack talent now...but you seem to have one view of of rap and that's pure bars/spitters/rappity rap cats, rap hasn't been just that for ages)


Edit: last point, look at rock - there's death metal, hair metal, light rock, classic rock, alternative, acid, punk...and so on, it all gets rolled up under rock. no reason why trap or mumble rap can't be sub genres that live under the greater umbrella of hip hop

 

[thekingsmen]

 

[mobbinfms]

People are fans of what they grow up with. Do I have to praise an Atari 2600 before I should be allowed to play a PS4?

Not to mention you keep demanding that kids pay respect to your old music, and then turn around and call any new artist you can name garbage and then have the nerve to wonder why lines of communication break down

I don't know shyt about video games.
It's not about respect. It's about...are we even evaluating this shyt the same way? Do we care about the same things? If I'm coming from a late 80s through 96 mindstate and I'm looking for A, B and C...and these kids are looking for XYZ...are we really both listening to hip hop?