Can anybody please explain why you never hear people say" what abt White on white crime"

[FruitOfTheVale]

I never said that. Why is that any of us who look at this topic from a different point of view get demonized?

Elaborate on your position then, you've already stated that you think any correlation between entrenched poverty, violence and other "circumstances" as you put it (presumably including institutional racism) is an "excuse".

It looks to me that while you haven't explicitly stated that black people are predisposed to violence, it appears to be the only conclusion you're able to reach.

 

[Samori Toure]

They committed more murders because there are much more White people in the country. How hard is that to understand?

How hard is it for you to understand that the dude who used the stats actually got them from my post which actually used the FBI information. The first racist flat out stated that Black people committed more murder than White people. I knew that was a lie already. So the second clown tried to move the goal and use a percentage of the total, which is also flawed; because the result will be skewed because the comparison is 14% of the population against 63% of the population; that is not an apples to apple comparison. Do you not understand basic statistics? A smaller number of anything compared to a larger group of anything is already flawed. That is why statisticians use a more common measure like % of a certain number to measure something. I am not even a statistician and I understand that much.

 

[BelowTheMasonDixon]

How hard is it for you to understand that the dude who used the stats actually got them from my post which actually used the FBI information. The first racist flat out stated that Black people committed more murder than White people. I knew that was a lie already. So the second clown tried to move the goal and use a percentage of the total, which is also flawed; because the result will be skewed because the comparison is 14% of the population against 63% of the population; that is not an apples to apple comparison. Do you not understand basic statistics? A smaller number of anything compared to a larger group of anything is already flawed. That is why statisticians use a more common measure like % of a certain number to measure something. I am not even a statistician and I understand that much.

 

[LuckyLibra619]

Elaborate on your position then, you've already stated that you think any correlation between entrenched poverty, violence and other "circumstances" as you put it (presumably including institutional racism) is an "excuse".

It looks to me that while you haven't explicitly stated that black people are predisposed to violence, it appears to be the only conclusion you're able to reach.

Every time this convo comes up people tell us Black people are killing one another because of poverty. Can you educate me on the correlation? How does being poor correlate with KILLING other Black men?

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

Every time this convo comes up people tell us Black people are killing one another because of poverty. Can you educate me on the correlation? How does being poor correlate with KILLING other Black men?

Before I do that, I'll ask you again to expound on your position. You've denied that your position is that black people are predisposed to violence irrespective of poverty, racism, inequality, etc. What is your position then?

 

[mcdivit85]

People kill me with that "black on black" line. Until there's "white on white" and "asian on asian", then there ain't no goddamn "black on black" anything.

People commit crime where they live. Most black people live in neighborhoods predominated by black people. So, if a black person living in a black dominated neighborhood decides to steal, sell drugs or kill someone, they're generally going to be commit said crime against another black person. Same with whites and everyone else.

People generally live amongst people who look like them and when they commit crimes, they don't get in their cars and drive all the way across town to shoot someone.

So, if there's a public discussion on "black on black crime", then there damn sure needs to be a bigger discussion on "white on white crime" because they damn sure robbing, raping and killing each other with a vengeance.

Peace

 

[Samori Toure]

Every time this convo comes up people tell us Black people are killing one another because of poverty. Can you educate me on the correlation? How does being poor correlate with KILLING other Black men?

Most arguments in anything are full of shyt if you are not looking at the reason why; including the argument that you are pushing.

What no one actually ever points out is most violent crime for black people will usually occur in cities. For some reason racist never bother even acknowledging that there are a lot of Black people that live in rural southern States. Why are rural black people murder stats so much lower than the murder stats of black people that live in cities? What could be the reason that there are more murders among black people in cities than there are in the country?

 

[BelowTheMasonDixon]

People kill me with that "black on black" line. Until there's "white on white" and "asian on asian", then there ain't no goddamn "black on black" anything.

People commit crime where they live. Most black people live in neighborhoods predominated by black people. So, if a black person living in a black dominated neighborhood decides to steal, sell drugs or kill someone, they're generally going to be commit said crime against another black person. Same with whites and everyone else.

People generally live amongst people who look like them and when they commit crimes, they don't get in their cars and drive all the way across town to shoot someone.

So, if there's a public discussion on "black on black crime", then there damn sure needs to be a bigger discussion on "white on white crime" because they damn sure robbing, raping and killing each other with a vengeance.

Peace

I don't think anyone is disputing this. I don't know if you all are being obtuse or just being playfully ignorant, but allow me to point out

This is among developed nations. So it excludes places like Honduras and El Salvador. You can't look at that and realistically say "oh well that's not an issue" I mean Nigeria is at 20.0 and Mexico is at 22.0 and both are those are still developing countries.

 

[the class]

How can we trust murder stats when we all know that murder isn't equally illegal for all races?

 

[LuckyLibra619]

Before I do that, I'll ask you again to expound on your position. You've denied that your position is that black people are predisposed to violence irrespective of poverty, racism, inequality, etc. What is your position then?

It's funny I never said anything about Black people being predisposed to violence, that was something you brought up. This was my post that you quoted. Reread it for yourself.

And now the goalpost is being moved, fam. The Whole premise of this thread seems to be that Black on Black crime isn't really all that bad and it's being overblown by the media or Black on Black crime is equal to White on White crime.

Now stats are being posted that completely destroy those arguments and the goalpost is being moved to "Yes, Black on Black crime is high but there are certain circumstances that create that condition".

So which is it? Is Black on Black crime just being overblown by the media?
Or is it a terrible problem in our community that needs to be addressed?

PS - I've said this time and time again. I don't think being poor should ever be a reason/excuse for Black men to kill one another.

 

[DMGAINGREEN]

PS - I've said this time and time again. I don't think being poor should ever be a reason/excuse for Black men to kill one another.

Nobody is justifying it , but its just reality , some people in impoverished areas have little to no value for life and feel they have nothing to live for ..and will do virtually anything to survive .. Its unfortunate but its reality at the end of the day

 

[LuckyLibra619]

Nobody is justifying it , but its just reality , some people in impoverished areas have little to no value for life and feel they have nothing to live for ..

See now this is a good argument breh and something I've always felt plays a huge factor in all of this. The thing is me and you are actually acknowledging that this is a problem. We have people out here just dismissing this issue and making it seem like it's just media propaganda, when a walk through the wrong hood would prove otherwise.

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

It's funny I never said anything about Black people being predisposed to violence, that was something you brought up. This was my post that you quoted. Reread it for yourself.

You refuse to state your own position?


Color me unsurprised. All of your talking points are typical of those who believe that blacks are predisposed to violence... But when it comes time to wear the jacket you won't claim it. On top of that, you dodge and weave any request to clarify your position (as if you actually had another position to begin with).

Your limp-wristed noncommittal posturing disgusts me. If you're gonna believe in something then own it.

 

[LuckyLibra619]

You refuse to state your own position?


Color me unsurprised. All of your talking points are typical of those who believe that blacks are predisposed to violence... But when it comes time to wear the jacket you won't claim it. On top of that, you dodge and weave any request to clarify your position (as if you actually have a different position to begin with).

Your limp-wristed noncommittal postering disgusts me. If you're gonna believe in something then own it.

Tell us why poverty and institutional racism make Black men kill one another.

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

Tell us why poverty and institutional racism make Black men kill one another.

Tell me why your position is anything other than that blacks are inherently violent. As a black man I do not entertain debate with anyone who takes that position. And least of all, I do not entertain debate with anyone who will not state their own position.