Can anyone actually identify good production these days?

[noumena]

Something I've been thinking about. You go on ANY rapper song on youtube and most comments will be saying how hard the beat is, how fire it is. Even in the coli, any trap song that gets posted gets a few "This beat tho "

And I've posted to this to say....YOU'RE WRONG.

It's an anomaly for every single song to have a great beat. It's simply impossible. So, we either have an excess of pure talent in the music industry, or these fans are lyin to themselves.

People start shytting themselves because a beat has 808s and spastic hi hats, and it's why the majority of my generation's production is trash. Everyone think they can make bangers because they got some kits and FL Studio now.

What happened to the beats that are simply undeniable? They had SOUL too.










We have people saying "Eh Slim Jesus wack the beat hard tho"



Really? This the epitome of generic.



The only thing this beat has going for it is the piano line

 

[Y2Dre]

The booth needs a "real hip hop" section so the rest of us don't have to suffer through these nostalgia threads every single day.

 

[mobbinfms]

Trap production is in the overwhelming majority of cases.
I'm always when people say production now is better than the 90s.

 

[mobbinfms]

The booth needs a "real hip hop" section so the rest of us don't have to suffer through these nostalgia threads every single day.

What does "real hip hop" mean to you?

 

[Hardaway]

shut ur real hip hop ass up OP

 

[noumena]

The booth needs a "real hip hop" section so the rest of us don't have to suffer through these nostalgia threads every single day.

Not even breh. I'm not on some real hip hop backpacker shyt. I love trap. Our generation also has a handful of producers that are making incredible music. I'm just sick of this "every single trap beat is fire sentiment". Clams is someone who avoided trap and made a sound that's truly ours.






Metro boomin took the trap sound and evolved it



Honorable C Note makes great trap beats. Tarentino got some of the best beats out now.

 

[noumena]

Now THIS is tough

Stans heated because I don't dikkride.

If they waited a second they would have realized I gave the people who deserve it their props

 

[KravenMorehead™]

I think original hiphop producers, the good ones anyway, grew up on other musical genres and fed off those in their production, whereas modern hiphop producers grew up on hiphop, so it's like sonic in-breeding; the music sounds weird and derivative in an unhealthy way

Also today's artists don't explore the beat and graft their flow to it, they just chant in some weird way. I think flow affects how the beats are recieved so if artists flows are trash the beats are trash. Reason why future resonates well but others don't on the same kinda production. Alot of those beats in the OP are not as interesting as they're made out to be, you like them because of how the artist worked em. It's the perfect marriage. Whether they created the beat themselves or picked it, the best beats sound like that artist in musical form.

 

[1/2OfDaBruinz]

Man all this shyt is subjective. I'm a "real hip hop head" and I even make boom bap style beats myself... On hardware. But I'd be lying if I said that a lot of these trap style beats aren't raw as fukk. And I don't care how you make the beat, as long as it's hot. I swear you nikkas need to let go of that Fruity Loops hate. A lot of people have done really well for themselves off a program that wasn't respected and was looked at as for Amateurish producers. I challenge anyone if you nikkas to download FL and make and trap beats thats similar to the ones on the radio. You'll see that it's not as easy as people would make it seem. Low key engineering is reaching a golden age in hip hop right now tho

 

[noumena]

Take for example Wondagurl. She's a hit-or-miss producer when she's on she's ON


When she's not...well, kinda generic.
But since all you need is some hard bass for someone to say something's dope these days, that's what we get.

 

[noumena]

Man all this shyt is subjective. I'm a "real hip hop head" and I even make boom nap style beats myself... On hardware. But I'd be lying if I said that a lot of these trap style beats aren't raw as fukk. And I don't care how you make the beat, as long as it's hot. I swear you nikkas need to let go of that Fruity Loops. A lot of people have done really well for themselves off a program that wasn't respected and was looked at as for Amateurish. I challenge anyone if you nikkas to download FL and make and trap beats that similar to the ones on the radio. You'll see that it's not as easy as people would make it seem. Low key engineering is reaching a golden age in hip hop right now tho

And read the thread breh, I give trap producers and new gen producers their props. But I can tell you quite a few of these beats are trash as well.

I use FL. I'm saying the ease-of-access of this shyt makes it so any wack producer think he's hot because some kids on soundcloud can't stop freaking over some hard 808s and hi hats.

 

[Ohene]

Not even breh. I'm not on some real hip hop backpacker shyt. I love trap. Our generation also has a handful of producers that are making incredible music. I'm just sick of this "every single trap beat is fire sentiment". Clams is someone who avoided trap and made a sound that's truly ours.






Metro boomin took the trap sound and evolved it



Honorable C Note makes great trap beats. Tarentino got some of the best beats out now.

leaf is CLASSIC

 

[Yuzo]

rapping has become so sing-songy that it has replaced the melody of the beat and forced it into a new role as as an underlying layer to the over the top deliveries of a bryson tiller or a young thug. drum patterns have become very intricate and force what is left of the melody in a beat to compete with it for your attention. its very hard to nod your head in rhythm to these beats because the drums are doing so much. the over the top sing-song flows and intricate drum patterns combine together to bury the melody in a beat to a level that it is barely recognized or noticed by the listener.

the beats from the 90's, 2000's were a lot more melody driven and noticeable to your ear. that served to give a beat its own personality and songs were better at standing out and you remembering it. if you didnt know the name of a song, you would hum it to someone, so they could tell you what it was. you couldnt do that now because songs today come in a blur, each song comes after the other and sounds the same as the last song did, creating one big unrecognizable jumble of the same thing over and over.

beats like ambitionz az a ridah or ruff ryders anthem are so melody driven and recognizable that they burn into your memory for a lifetime. songs today literally cant do that.

 

[noumena]

leaf is CLASSIC

Agree. I actually found some of the samples he used one day digging online one day and it's crazy how clams arranged them together.

 

[mbewane]

I don't know, I'm a 90s kid but most of the time the only reason I can stand some of today's songs are precisely the beats. Somehow a lot DO sound generic in a way, but I don't know there's some kind of formula that makes them "bang" regardless. Or maybe it's just because I don't listen to trap rap that much (there aren't many trap rappers I can stand) that when I do listen they cool.

I was really hoping for Clams to influence more producers and see that sound take over, some of his beats are GOAT level to me.