Can anyone actually identify good production these days?

[mbewane]

rapping has become so sing-songy that it has replaced the melody of the beat and forced it into a new role as as an underlying layer to the over the top deliveries of a bryson tiller or a young thug. drum patterns have become very intricate and force what is left of the melody in a beat to compete with it for your attention. its very hard to nod your head in rhythm to these beats because the drums are doing so much. the over the top sing-song flows and intricate drum patterns combine together to bury the melody in a beat to a level that it is barely recognized or noticed by the listener.

the beats from the 90's, 2000's were a lot more melody driven and noticeable to your ear. that served to give a beat its own personality and songs were better at standing out and you remembering it. if you didnt know the name of a song, you would hum it to someone, so they could tell you what it was. you couldnt do that now because songs today come in a blur, each song comes after the other and sounds the same as the last song did, creating one big unrecognizable jumble of the same thing over and over.

beats like ambitionz az a ridah or ruff ryders anthem are so melody driven and recognizable that they burn into your memory for a lifetime. songs today literally cant do that.

Great point

 

[DarkmanX]

Alot of it has to do with sample clearances. Nowadays samples arent as used, and they are expensive to clear and with the lack of money that artists gets as budgets..it is what it is i guess.

 

[noumena]

My argument isn't old vs new either.

It's hot vs not

I'll give a beat that's incredible to me from this generation


That is a great beat. Yet how many trap songs are like this? 0. My point is you have subpar beats getting praise because people's taste is shyt.



Look at this youtube producer. Getting praise for this generic ass beat. Sure if you got Gucci Waka or Sosa on it they could make a hard track but the fact is Lex Luger created and perfected this sound going on 6 years ago now.

 

[Music Fiend]

I dig it. Feel the same way.

I don't mind the trap feel personally, as long as it brings a new vibe.

For me tho, I really hate this new generation of slow rap beats. You have to know your head in double time because the real tempo is so slow.

 

[Doobie Doo]

Hey I've been making music since the late 90s. Production is better now. It kills me how formulamatic nikka's was in the 90s that a lot of you nikkas worship. Take a loop from a record, filter it for a baseline then throw a breakbeat behind it in the 90s then bring back the unfiltered loop for hooks and change ups.

 

[The Ruler 09]

The booth needs a "real hip hop" section so the rest of us don't have to suffer through these nostalgia threads every single day.

Rather they need a trash music section, and we talk about Hip Hop here.

 

[Sauce Dab]

I like producers from back then and now. They're the MVP's. DJ Mustard gives artists pretty much the same beat every time I see him credited I know what I'm in for but I still enjoy it because it sounds good .
Trap producers are starting to get more weird on their production.

 

[IVS]

Something I've been thinking about. You go on ANY rapper song on youtube and most comments will be saying how hard the beat is, how fire it is. Even in the coli, any trap song that gets posted gets a few "This beat tho "

And I've posted to this to say....YOU'RE WRONG.

It's an anomaly for every single song to have a great beat. It's simply impossible. So, we either have an excess of pure talent in the music industry, or these fans are lyin to themselves.

People start shytting themselves because a beat has 808s and spastic hi hats, and it's why the majority of my generation's production is trash. Everyone think they can make bangers because they got some kits and FL Studio now.

What happened to the beats that are simply undeniable? They had SOUL too.

The only thing this beat has going for it is the piano line

Some maybe alot of the production is ass on trap songs, but they got heat. They can sound generic with the 808 ad hi-hat pattern, thats not real producing to me. I dont listen to that sh!t. Of course they have trash beats too just like boom bappy old school sound. I feel like trap evolved the sound of rap. Instead of funk and jazz sample soundd, they made it dope boy futuristic and its GREAT to me.

 

[KushSkywalker]

I got one rule.

Does it sound good?

If it does I like it. I don't like constraints on any producers/creators.

Me personally I dig records all day and chop the hell out of samples but still can slam some 808's. I actually like melding the two, flipping samples but using hard 808's/ I have tried stopping from using the fast hats as of recent though. I used to do them heavy too but it's been years and everyone still doing em.

Sometimes it just sounds good though

 

[IVS]

Take for example Wondagurl. She's a hit-or-miss producer when she's on she's ON


When she's not...well, kinda generic.
But since all you need is some hard bass for someone to say something's dope these days, that's what we get.

How is this not hard as hell. Beat is str8 fire. And Rodeo has some good production, so I dont get what the OP is talking about. People just be caught up on nostalgia, I enjoy a good amount of the new music because the production is actually dope. And when you listen thru headphones you hear all the nuance, dudes are putting out good stuff.

 

[Retired Account]

Rather they need a trash music section, and we talk about Hip Hop here.

Where would k rino be?

 

[Buckeye Fever]

Im an old head and i wish one of u young bytches would try and tell me what to do, ol' bytch ass nikkaz

 

[Hannibal Fox]

I think original hiphop producers, the good ones anyway, grew up on other musical genres and fed off those in their production, whereas modern hiphop producers grew up on hiphop, so it's like sonic in-breeding; the music sounds weird and derivative in an unhealthy way

Also today's artists don't explore the beat and graft their flow to it, they just chant in some weird way. I think flow affects how the beats are recieved so if artists flows are trash the beats are trash. Reason why future resonates well but others don't on the same kinda production. Alot of those beats in the OP are not as interesting as they're made out to be, you like them because of how the artist worked em. It's the perfect marriage. Whether they created the beat themselves or picked it, the best beats sound like that artist in musical form.

Wonderfully put, echoed my feelings right there.

 

[noumena]

How is this not hard as hell. Beat is str8 fire. And Rodeo has some good production, so I dont get what the OP is talking about. People just be caught up on nostalgia, I enjoy a good amount of the new music because the production is actually dope. And when you listen thru headphones you hear all the nuance, dudes are putting out good stuff.

Some of the people on the coli man Yall have no reading comprehension

I'm saying that beat is hard as hell. "When she's on she is ON"

 

[DJ Mart-Kos]

Hey I've been making music since the late 90s. Production is better now. It kills me how formulamatic nikka's was in the 90s that a lot of you nikkas worship. Take a loop from a record, filter it for a baseline then throw a breakbeat behind it in the 90s then bring back the unfiltered loop for hooks and change ups.

this is actually true but it sounded better