Can anyone deny we're collectively devolving?

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Be less than those who came before. Look around at pretty much anything and tell me that doesn't ring true?

Anyone can consume, few create. Anyone can copy, few innovate. Few can reason, everyone regurgitates.

There has been an immense drop off in so many tangible variables in the past few generations from hormone levels, fertility, obesity, attention levels etc.. that I'm quite surprised people wish to act like they haven't spotted this. Quite certain it will become obvious soon enough because there is only so long fake real can pretend.



Very true, by default if you are aware of it happening you're already one step ahead of the game and will act accordingly. Those caught up in the mix won't get it because they don't want to see it.
we may or may not see the same thing

what I do know, is that I do not know and that in knowing that, what I don't know does not bother me.

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Social media and other echo chambers definitely aren't helping matters. Tribalism is at an all-time high, theres a new group dedicated to us vs them created seemingly every other month. Red pill dudes, divestor broads, magas, Q anons, these people all existed in one form or another before the rise of social media but were (rightfully) treated as the outcasts and crazies they were back in the day.

But social media has emboldened and empowered these groups and other groups based on delusion and paranoia.
 

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we may or may not see the same thing

what I do know, is that I do not know and that in knowing that, what I don't know does not bother me.

There it is. That simple variable of being aware you're unaware leaves space for wisdom to shine in and illuminate all you couldn't imagine. With it the potential to flip the script, rearrange what you thought based on fresh information and that is truly being alive, present and in the moment.

As for seeing the same thing, who knows. We're all trapped inside our own minds thinking everyone else thinks like us and perceives as we perceive when time and again reality proves this to be a total fallacy.

"Why is your sky purple?" and various other solipsistic things but you get the hint... External variable however are far more empirical and offer a hint about the inner realms that most of the people themselves miss as they're "doings" not "beings" and the difference is immense when it comes to how you relate to yourself.
 
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ha yeah we should go back to the days of public executions & human sacrifice etcetera etcetera etcetera*
There it is. That simple variable of being aware you're unaware leaves space for wisdom to shine in and illuminate all you couldn't imagine. With it the potential to flip the script, rearrange what you thought based on fresh information and that is truly being alive, present and in the moment.

As for seeing the same thing, who knows. We're all trapped inside our own minds thinking everyone else thinks like us and perceives as we perceive when time and again reality proves this to be a total fallacy.

"Why is your sky purple?" and various other solipsistic things but you get the hint... External variable however are far more empirical and offer a hint about the inner realms that most of the people themselves miss as they're "doings" not "beings" and the difference is immense when it comes to how you relate to yourself.

We are living in a world of illusion
 

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A valid perspective and an alluring trap at the same time. There is an immense difference between seeing the world as it is with all the schemes, plans and plot twists as opposed to putting on rose tints and filtering out what doesn't fit. One knows what time it is, the other will be in for a rude awakening when he wants it to be one way but it isn't.

What I've outlined is just an observation of what I've noticed over the past few when looking at the herd and how they move from time to time, thats why I said:

"Wise is the man who is immune to the madness of crowds and individualizes himself as we're evidently witnessing mass human engineering on a scale that was unimaginable previously."

If you can't see it then its doing its job perfectly because the system is designed to be invisible to the unaware...
I definitely understand. But I’ve been in trying to be an optimistic realist… like the world ain’t sweet but things and situations can still be open to interpretation. Like my mom is really negative and can be draining but going into the conversations with her i try to frame it as neutrally or positively as I can before hand. With most things I try to visualize the best possible outcome. It takes a degree of delusion tbh. :yeshrug:
 

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I definitely understand. But I’ve been in trying to be an optimistic realist… like the world ain’t sweet but things and situations can still be open to interpretation. Like my mom is really negative and can be draining but going into the conversations with her i try to frame it as neutrally or positively as I can before hand. With most things I try to visualize the best possible outcome. It takes a degree of delusion tbh. :yeshrug:

It does but that kind of thinking is the same trap as negativity, just dressed in better thoughts. Both are divorced from reality in the sense that you don't see what is but what you want.

Seeing life at its rawest, without filters with a firm innerstanding of yourself which gives you an overstanding of others is a trip because you realize exactly how many people are running around on autopilot. Sadder still they lack the insight to realize this and will actively rebel if its pointed out as they have no wish to better themselves, even though the secretly hate themselves.

The latter part is something huge and I notice it runs through vast swathes of society. Collectively I don't think the races self esteem has been this low for a minute. Of course people would rather die than admit that so they keep fronting.
 

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I definitely understand. But I’ve been in trying to be an optimistic realist… like the world ain’t sweet but things and situations can still be open to interpretation. Like my mom is really negative and can be draining but going into the conversations with her i try to frame it as neutrally or positively as I can before hand. With most things I try to visualize the best possible outcome. It takes a degree of delusion tbh. :yeshrug:
you arent being delusional

you might be fixing and helping people and you arent aware of it

how you move can shift how other people move

and a perspective change can sometimes save a life, maybe even a soul
 

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It does but that kind of thinking is the same trap as negativity, just dressed in better thoughts. Both are divorced from reality in the sense that you don't see what is but what you want.

Seeing life at its rawest, without filters with a firm innerstanding of yourself which gives you an overstanding of others is a trip because you realize exactly how many people are running around on autopilot. Sadder still they lack the insight to realize this and will actively rebel if its pointed out as they have no wish to better themselves, even though the secretly hate themselves.

The latter part is something huge and I notice it runs through vast swathes of society. Collectively I don't think the races self esteem has been this low for a minute. Of course people would rather die than admit that so they keep fronting.
honestly, I don’t think there’s really a default/raw way to view most things… like your filter was pretty much shaped by your life experiences/relationships up to this point. Two people can say the same thing in the same way but you’ll receive it differently based on your personal relationship with them and how you view them.
But yeah a lot of ppl lack insight man. I’m never a person that claims they know it all but I’ll try to understand where someone is coming from or their point. Whether I agree or not.
But I definitely feel you on the collective low self esteem… and I feel like people comparing their life to others is what does it. But people keep up appearances and facades, so I don’t care about how things appear…. Especially when it comes to social Media. I just have to make me reach my best self, what ever that looks like.
 
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