Can everyone stop trying to rewrite history for Ja Rule

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I'm sorry but this has been bothering me for days now and I initially didn't want to touch it, but am I the only one who sees zero significance in how hip hop heads of the early 2000s viewed Ja? Sure, if we are talking about the historical record, fine, the facts are the facts and they didn't fukk with him, but citing them as something that matters when determining anything about Ja's music quality is complete nonsense.

The nikkas that hated Ja are the same nikkas that thought It Was Written was sellout trash because he dared to be different. That's how they reasoned back then, music type was more important than music quality. Mase also got way more criticism than his music ever warranted, and LL cool J had to force out dishonest, generic street records between his pop/female hits just to save face with that audience. Its like if you stepped out of the grimy nikka archetype, just slightly, you were risking your entire career because the culture was that intolerant. Personally, fukk 'em, hip Hop heads from that era were some of the most close minded, anti-free thinking people that I ever came across. They were the livin npc meme.

They were also the reason why all the young Ny dudes that come up in the early 2000s where all 1-dimensional punchline rappers who couldn't make a song to save their life, dudes raised with the ideology that prevented them from stepping outside the box. Why you think the South over took us? Whole generation brainwashed into being anti-creative. Them real nikkas did more than kill Ja, they killed NY.

Also, we need to cut the bullshyt that just because hip hop heads didn't fukk with Ja, it some how means the black culture at large also didn't fukk with him, and in reality it was just white suburban kids. That's revisionist history, I didn't see dudes rocking half colored Du-rags, half afro/braids, and denim outfits hard until Ja came around. He was definitely influencing the culture on a level that was greater than trivial. Again, what fukked him over was not music quality, it was the fact that he constantly kept breaking taboos of the hip-hop head culture by choosing not to replicate the stereotypical NY sound.
 

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I'm sorry but this has been bothering me for days now and I initially didn't want to touch it, but am I the only one who sees zero significance in how hip hop heads of the early 2000s viewed Ja? Sure, if we are talking about the historical record, fine, the facts are the facts and they didn't fukk with him, but citing them as something that matters when determining anything about Ja's music quality is complete nonsense.

The nikkas that hated Ja are the same nikkas that thought It Was Written was sellout trash because he dared to be different. That's how they reasoned back then, music type was more important than music quality. Mase also got way more criticism than his music ever warranted, and LL cool J had to force out dishonest, generic street records between his pop/female hits just to save face with that audience. Its like if you stepped out of the grimy nikka archetype, just slightly, you were risking your entire career because the culture was that intolerant. Personally, fukk 'em, hip Hop heads from that era were some of the most close minded, anti-free thinking people that I ever came across. They were the livin npc meme.

They were also the reason why all the young Ny dudes that come up in the early 2000s where all 1-dimensional punchline rappers who couldn't make a song to save their life, dudes raised with the ideology that prevented them from stepping outside the box. Why you think the South over took us? Whole generation brainwashed into being anti-creative. Them real nikkas did more than kill Ja, they killed NY.

Also, we need to cut the bullshyt that just because hip hop heads didn't fukk with Ja, it some how means the black culture at large also didn't fukk with him, and in reality it was just white suburban kids. That's revisionist history, I didn't see dudes rocking half colored Du-rags, half afro/braids, and denim outfits hard until Ja came around. He was definitely influencing the culture on a level that was greater than trivial. Again, what fukked him over was not music quality, it was the fact that he constantly kept breaking taboos of the hip-hop head culture by choosing not to replicate the stereotypical NY sound.


I worked for 50/shadeville as a sound engineer. I still think Ja has his place in hip hop history. He had a run. But you are vastly overstating his impact lil nikka
 

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I think the revisionist history being made is that Ja wasn’t a big artist, which couldn’t be further from the truth. In 98, Ja was pretty much on the same level as Jay and DMX, and he had a massive amount of hits from 98-02
 

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A lot of dudes are showing their age on here. I was not the biggest fan of Ja Rule but from 98-02 he waa one of the top 5 most popular artists in the game. The man sold about 14 million albums during that run the only rappers who could boast that level of success at that point was Jay, Nelly and Em.

The other thing is Ja had a LARGE female fanbase. They were the ones buying most his albums.

Ja also is fortunate that due to having top notch production his music has aged well my daughter was a baby when Ja Rule was big and she has all his music.

Hell 50 Cent got where he was in part by knocking him off and stealing his wave.
 

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ja rule was just as big :gucci:

Not according to the numbers. I'm not acting like Ja wasn't big, but he wasnt bigger than Nelly bruh. Nelly didn't need features to get charted on pop radio, Ja did. Nellyville went Diamond. Ja don't got an album that went Diamond. The only rap artists going diamond at the time were Nelly, Eminem, OutKast and posthumous Pac.
 

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Jay and DMX don't get along. But I'll let you continue to rewrite.
Okay.

They got along well enough to do songs together though?

They got along well enough to tour together though?

Them cats got smart and didnt wanna associate their legacy with a new nobody Ja Rule..and its funny cuz they BOTH knew Ja prior to Def Jam..and ALL 3 where on Mic Geronimo's "Time to build".

Im not rewriting history..

I can just see between the lines..
 

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what Ja songs were popping off at parties and in the clubs?







And like someone mentioned above, "Livin It Up"....which was huge at the time. I'm assuming you are too young to remember.

I'm not a big Ja fan, although I think he got an unnecessary amount of hate when 50 made him his favorite target. But to say he wasn't being played in the clubs is just not true.
 

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The revision is real. People are actually running with the notion that Ja Rule was one of the biggest artists from '98-'02. I see saying late 2000 until late 2002, but '98, '99, and early-mid 2000, Ja was not on the radar like that. In '98, he was nowhere near huge and nearly unknown save for his appearances with Jay and X. In 1999, he only had 1.5 hit songs in a year stacked with huge artists. He didn't even start to become huge until "Between Me And You" dropped.

As for as his impact on the culture, Ja Rule didn't start the denim jacket/jean, cornrow, bandanna combo. CMR was already on that wave as was Mystikal. This was kind of a Southern thing.
 

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Under the age of 27 u really can’t have an opinion on the matter, before 50 the perception of ja was that he was top 3 biggest hip hop artists at the time and he was looked at as the flagship artist . He was up there with jay dmx and was bigger than both for a moment
breh please, ja was looked at as a sellout and tupac wannabe making crappy pop songs that cacs and bytches liked. he kept promising to "return to his roots" and drop harder records, only to disappoint with another watered down record with plastic production, pandering to r'n b fans.

the truth is, that it wasn't even 50 who ended his career, it was people getting tired of the murder inc formula and ja having a meltdown on the radio talking about "bringing pac back"
 

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breh please, ja was looked at as a sellout and tupac wannabe making crappy pop songs that cacs and bytches liked. he kept promising to "return to his roots" and drop harder records, only to disappoint with another watered down record with plastic production, pandering to r'n b fans.

the truth is, that it wasn't even 50 who ended his career, it was people getting tired of the murder inc formula and ja having a meltdown on the radio talking about "bringing pac back"
Ur 100 percent right but I’m just saying there was a MOMENT. Around the VVV album and Holla Holla where Ja was respected as a street dude. After always on time he turned into drake. Put all I’m saying is his career is legendary he’s not chingy level
 
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