Ja messed up when he tried to take X's spot.
Can everyone stop trying to rewrite history for Ja Rule
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FeloniousMonk
Dont mind me..Im a azzhole
And them nikkas STILL aint want to form a group with dude.
Speaks volumes, my man..
Facts. They would've been doing themselves a disservice.
sporticus
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Funny for OP to talk about revisionist history when it comes to Ja Rule. That man is the biggest victim of revisionist history since hip-hop was invented. More than Hammer and Vanilla Ice. The man is a better rapper than 50 Cent in every conceivable way and pretty much invented the style that 50 ate off, and that's almost besides the point. If the fate of the Earth rested on who could go bar for bar on a live mic in front of God and Satan right now, even you'd pick Ja and you know it, but a whole generation is so heavily invested in the Greek tragedy "The Fall of Jeffrey Atkins At The Hands Of He Who Took 9 Shots".
You'd think Ja got slapped around by 50, but he didn't.
You'd think Ja went bankrupt like 50 after having conned you into thinking he made 400 million off swamp water, but he didn't.
You'd think Ja Rule didn't continue to make hits after 50 went at him, but he did.
You'd think Ja Rule lost the love and respect of his friends and family like 50 has, but he hasn't.
You'd think Def Jam owned Ja's masters like Interscope owns 50's, but they don't.
Hell, the only think 50 seems to have accomplished and maintained is a bunch of azzholes who don't even know him to think he's some sort of winner when he seems to be the Donald Trump of hip-hop. A liar and a fraud whose fragile ego rest on bullying non-believers. It's why he can't leave the Ja Rule thing alone.
You'd think Ja got slapped around by 50, but he didn't.
You'd think Ja went bankrupt like 50 after having conned you into thinking he made 400 million off swamp water, but he didn't.
You'd think Ja Rule didn't continue to make hits after 50 went at him, but he did.
You'd think Ja Rule lost the love and respect of his friends and family like 50 has, but he hasn't.
You'd think Def Jam owned Ja's masters like Interscope owns 50's, but they don't.
Hell, the only think 50 seems to have accomplished and maintained is a bunch of azzholes who don't even know him to think he's some sort of winner when he seems to be the Donald Trump of hip-hop. A liar and a fraud whose fragile ego rest on bullying non-believers. It's why he can't leave the Ja Rule thing alone.
Straw Hat Luffy
Veteran
Coli nikkas always trying to rewrite history, including you OP.
im old enough to form my own opinion seems mostly of 50 cent crowd is kids believing in what he speaking
Venni Vetti Vecci in my top 10 albums of all time, I always go back and listen to it
I havnt listened to get rich or die trying since like 2005
KravenMorehead™
Barrel Brothers.®
The cats sayin Ja wasn't poppin will be the same nikkas sayin Drake was never poppin in 10 years. Meanwhile Drake's music is everywhere and he softer than Ja X 1,000,000,000.
I've seen this movie before.
I've seen this movie before.
Exactly.
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chickenteriyaki
Pro
NOBODY is listening to 50 or Chingy in 2018. Everyone gets hype when a throwback Ja song comes on at the club though.
jarule didn't really have a core hip-hop base like that when he was going triple plat, outside of women & children. that's why his falloff was so embarrassing. nobody falls off like that simply because of a rap beef.
its like I said plenty of times on here; back in '99-00, we looked at jarule in the same light as dra-gon & memph bleek. difference is, jarule was the face of his label and got a big push. there was actually more anticipation for drag & bleek's debuts than jarule's. sure you can say he didn't disappoint like they did, but a lot of that is because higher expectations were placed on bleek & drag. nobody really cared about jarule that hard.
VVV was dope but it wasn't anything special, aside from a few cuts. streets wasnt really on him like that, and it didn't achieve what they aimed for commercially. and the murderers compilation had two dope videos but I cant recall seeing or hearing anybody play that album ever. their crew was underrated actually. its just that the game was cluttered at the time, and I guess they kinda came off as ruff ryders-lite. and that's basically his peak with the core hip-hop audience. so I don't know where all this "jarule had the streets" talk came from. dudes is showing their age in here.
so onto the 2nd album. he dropped all duets for singles. "between me & you" with Christina milan was a hot one. classic summer joint IMO. and then he hit the big homerun in "put it on me" with vita & lil mo, which is really his biggest single, at least in urban culture. and even tho Lil Mo stole the show, its the song that made jarule a star and set the table for him to be the king of the countdown on 106th & park. im gonna go another level and add my personal opinion in and say that this was the goat hip-hop love song. this would've been the perfect time for them to drop a video for "6 feet underground"(more on that in a minute) which was getting played on the mix-shows. but instead, they went with "I cry", which was questionable, but okay they went with another lil mo single. I get it. and it worked. plus they had tyrin turner in the video, which was a nice touch. but then I look up and this dude is singing in the park with Jennifer lopez. I gave up on him at that point. he became a pop rapper from there and his stuff just became cornier & more generic(with a few gems sprinkled in) all while getting bigger & bigger to the point where he became the most hated rapped in the game, and had a fanbase full of casuals while his head got bigger and he really thought he surpassed DMX. I thought DMX was gonna be the one to shut him completely down but Irv stepped in whining.
then comes the '02 BET Awards where he appears in three different performances. we sat there watching it at my crib, and I remember my bul called it, saying he reached his peak and wasn't gonna be big like this by the time the next show comes around. he also predicted the downfall of jerseys. he didn't predict that both the downfalls of jarule & jerseys would be as ridiculous tho, as this was before the jay-z line & the mainstream entrance of 50 cent each sped up the process.
THIS
I was gonna make a jarule thread yesterday when I found a video for 6 feet underground on youtube. its an animated video that they showed on the website, and apparently the song was released as a single.
I used to wonder back then, why the hell did they not make a video for it. they used to play it on the mix-shows and I felt like it should've been the follow-up to "put it on me". it would've put him on another level in the rap world, cuz that chit is a legit classic and a lot of people never heard it. SMH. it was the huge b-side that he needed. I had no clue that they made a animated website video for it, but that's not enough.
I guess they waved the white flag on the b-side classics after the first album failed and didn't want to take a chance? the whole direction of his career after "put it on me" was stupid. I knew he was gonna be the guy whose career would take an actual hit if he lost a battle. and boy did it ever. I didn't know it was gonna turn out this bad tho.
its like I said plenty of times on here; back in '99-00, we looked at jarule in the same light as dra-gon & memph bleek. difference is, jarule was the face of his label and got a big push. there was actually more anticipation for drag & bleek's debuts than jarule's. sure you can say he didn't disappoint like they did, but a lot of that is because higher expectations were placed on bleek & drag. nobody really cared about jarule that hard.
VVV was dope but it wasn't anything special, aside from a few cuts. streets wasnt really on him like that, and it didn't achieve what they aimed for commercially. and the murderers compilation had two dope videos but I cant recall seeing or hearing anybody play that album ever. their crew was underrated actually. its just that the game was cluttered at the time, and I guess they kinda came off as ruff ryders-lite. and that's basically his peak with the core hip-hop audience. so I don't know where all this "jarule had the streets" talk came from. dudes is showing their age in here.
so onto the 2nd album. he dropped all duets for singles. "between me & you" with Christina milan was a hot one. classic summer joint IMO. and then he hit the big homerun in "put it on me" with vita & lil mo, which is really his biggest single, at least in urban culture. and even tho Lil Mo stole the show, its the song that made jarule a star and set the table for him to be the king of the countdown on 106th & park. im gonna go another level and add my personal opinion in and say that this was the goat hip-hop love song. this would've been the perfect time for them to drop a video for "6 feet underground"(more on that in a minute) which was getting played on the mix-shows. but instead, they went with "I cry", which was questionable, but okay they went with another lil mo single. I get it. and it worked. plus they had tyrin turner in the video, which was a nice touch. but then I look up and this dude is singing in the park with Jennifer lopez. I gave up on him at that point. he became a pop rapper from there and his stuff just became cornier & more generic(with a few gems sprinkled in) all while getting bigger & bigger to the point where he became the most hated rapped in the game, and had a fanbase full of casuals while his head got bigger and he really thought he surpassed DMX. I thought DMX was gonna be the one to shut him completely down but Irv stepped in whining.
then comes the '02 BET Awards where he appears in three different performances. we sat there watching it at my crib, and I remember my bul called it, saying he reached his peak and wasn't gonna be big like this by the time the next show comes around. he also predicted the downfall of jerseys. he didn't predict that both the downfalls of jarule & jerseys would be as ridiculous tho, as this was before the jay-z line & the mainstream entrance of 50 cent each sped up the process.
THIS
I was gonna make a jarule thread yesterday when I found a video for 6 feet underground on youtube. its an animated video that they showed on the website, and apparently the song was released as a single.
I used to wonder back then, why the hell did they not make a video for it. they used to play it on the mix-shows and I felt like it should've been the follow-up to "put it on me". it would've put him on another level in the rap world, cuz that chit is a legit classic and a lot of people never heard it. SMH. it was the huge b-side that he needed. I had no clue that they made a animated website video for it, but that's not enough.
I guess they waved the white flag on the b-side classics after the first album failed and didn't want to take a chance? the whole direction of his career after "put it on me" was stupid. I knew he was gonna be the guy whose career would take an actual hit if he lost a battle. and boy did it ever. I didn't know it was gonna turn out this bad tho.
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Ja was the 3rd man of the late 90s Def Jam Trinity of Jay-Z, DMX and Ja.
He was a huge star and definitely one of the biggest names of that era, but he wasn't really respected on the same level of Jay or X because he wasn't as nice lyrically and never really had a classic. He tried to distinguish himself from the other two by going more pop and singy and at a period was a bigger seller than those two but it was a short run at top and deep down most knew he wouldn't last.
He was never the best emcee or had the best catalogue, but he was at the top of the game for maybe 3-6 months, which is short but still can say he was at the top which most artists can't say.
He was a huge star and definitely one of the biggest names of that era, but he wasn't really respected on the same level of Jay or X because he wasn't as nice lyrically and never really had a classic. He tried to distinguish himself from the other two by going more pop and singy and at a period was a bigger seller than those two but it was a short run at top and deep down most knew he wouldn't last.
He was never the best emcee or had the best catalogue, but he was at the top of the game for maybe 3-6 months, which is short but still can say he was at the top which most artists can't say.
AJaRuleStan
All Star
I'm not saying, nor did I say, those artists are irrelevant. I'm saying, in the case of Bone Thugs, no relevant information is being conveyed by pointing out that Ja and Thug sung or use melodies. Those elements are just too broad to pin-point their particular styles which is important since, again, Bone's was far more hood harmony like a Nate dogg, while Ja was more shower singing/female-oriented.
With Onyx, it may be due to differences in our perspective, but what you see as onyx seasoning, to me, seems more like you're saying an artist from mid 90s Hollis queens share the cultural trappings of mid 90s Hollis queens.
Like, yeah...Ja is from Hollis, the same exact neighborhood AS onyx. And in 91, Ja was 15, still in high school, so it isn't a surprise he shares traits from the biggest act that defined his neighborhood's culture since run-dmc during his youth. But such a statement is as about as meaningful as saying that Ja has seasonings of an NY rapper, or that any rapper has seasonings of their region. Like, what's the point of pointing this out with Ja when 99% of all rappers are guilty of sharing traits from their region? Just seems irrelevant to me.
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FeloniousMonk
Dont mind me..Im a azzhole
Ja rule never had a die hard core audience other than fairweather fans.
He wound up crossing over with "can I get.."
Thats why it was so easy for 50 to pull the rug from up under Ja Rule.
Nobody knew Ja Rules story, whereas 50 came in as THE biggest under dog, being sponsored by THE biggest producer and THE biggest rap artist of the time(in terms of fanbase).
So all eyes where on him.
You got Dre/Aftermaths fanbase, and you got Em's/Shady fanbase, ready to ride for the new guy in town.
"Oh you a murderer...we dont believe you"
50 got shot by his enemy and survived, who are directly connected to Ja, Irv and Murder Inc.
I feel, at the end of the day. 50 created a narrative about Ja that sticks with the public, based on the history and 50 creating the image of Ja Rule being a lackey/toy for Supreme..
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TheDarceKnight
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I remember they had a trio album scheduled to drop on Def Jam called Murder Inc. There was a XXL cover for it and everything. I guess it got shelved for whatever reason but that could've been a great album.