Amor fati
Superstar
Chingy was a one hit one wonder the only track I can remember is that tipsy trash song.
Can everyone stop trying to rewrite history for Ja Rule
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TheDarceKnight
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Venni Vetti Vecci was dope. I won't say it's a classic or even a near-classic like some revisionists on the board will say, but it was a respectable 3.5 mic album. It was mostly filled with goonery and street tales, and a couple introspective joints. There were a couple radio friendly joints but nothing like what he did with the rest of his career.
He started down the path of being like a Nelly and Tupac hybrid on his 2nd album and the third album (Pain is Love I think it was) he tried to go full-on pop star.
ig88
Bounty Hunter
Even tho i never rocked with him like that (VVV only and cash money clik) ja rule was a HUGE star in hip hop.
Jacpot
Stoppppppppp it Lmaooooo
Luda’s music sold well but he was never taken serious hence why he got passed up by a TI that never sold as well as he did. To say Luda had the omnipresence of Ja in 2000 is misrepresentation of what it was.
Eminem played by his own rules and was an MTV darling. Eminem did NOT receive consistent airplay in cities with major black demographics. He had little to no impact on hip hop culture. He had the luxury of making silly Adam Sandler singles that would have maxed out at gold or plat Had he have been black (Busta & Red) His music had such a small influence on the direction of rap considering how much records he was selling its criminal. Em was truly Elvis and Dre was Fats Domino.
Nelly is a solid argument since he was outselling Ja but you have to also factor in the idea that rap was still a NY Cenric game at the time & Irv was beyond respected with his hands in many pots so the bias probably played apart. Country Grammar was the smash followed by his other singles that performed well but that combination of Put It On Me & I’m Real was the two headed monster.
Jay was Jay....Slow & Steady but not the hottest which was the story of his career. Give It To Me was an undeniable smash though
Did you really try to mention Nasir Jones in 2000 or the majority of 2001?? Please tell me that was a typo. Nas was so dead in the water people in the city was saying he was on his last leg of the next album, which ended up being Stillmatic, wasn’t fire. That was BEFORE the beef so I don’t understand what you’re referring toOochie Wally did wayyyyy more harm than good
Luda was taken more serious as an MC than Ja. Again, Luda was a go to for features and he was new to the game at that point.
Eminem's impact on Hip Hop in 2000-2001>>>>> Ja Rule. Black people were definitely listening to Eminem during that era. The notion that nobody Black was listening to Eminem is a classic Coli rewrite. Eminem was far more respected as an MC than Ja too.
Nas was definitely more impactful than Ja. Stillmatic was far more impactful than any Ja album.
Nelly is more than a solid argument. Nelly wasn't just selling records. In 2001, he had KRS going at him because of the song "#1", which was a hot record. "Put It On Me" was late, late 2000/early 2001. "Put It On Me" had ran its course by the time "I'm Real" dropped.
Jay Z was still bigger than Ja and he had far more than "Give It To Me" during 2000-2001.
Devil Plisken…CMS
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Bro there is noooo way you can include Nas in a argument about what was going on in 00-01 when Ether came out in October of 01. Nas was in bad shape in the worst way. Roc A Fella ran the tri state, Ruff Ryders was poppin, MOP was poppin, keep it thoro was poppin Nobody was thinking about Esco in 2000 or 01 up until Summer Jam. People in Nas backyard thought he was a wrap musically and this was before Jay did that shyt at Summer Jam.
“I gave you life when nikkax forgot you MC” wasn’t some made up shyt... You must have read about it in a magazine compared to being of age at the time
You’re right about I’m Real coming out in 01 however as it has been some years.
I’m from New York City. There wasn’t any nikka listening to Eminem on the block, party, the ps, coming out of jeeps, clubs or radio (sparingly) so you got to miss me with that. Eminem’s influence was with white boys. If you listened to that nikkax thought you was target. It is what it is.
Whether Luda was taken more serious is not the point. The argument was who was top dog
I’m glad I was actually of age during that time. You people on here make up stuff
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Still FloW
Gawd Of Shinobi
Im a 50 stan but lmaoo @ the lengths nikkas will go to discredit Ja, i remember when i first got into 50 around 03 i told myself i'll never listen to no one 50 beefs with, few years later i grew out that dumbass stan mentality and downloaded all Ja's catalogue, the nikka was dope !!!
minus me not listening to him at first, his singles were played ALL OVER and i knew the nikka had hits, everyone across the globe can recite ''Always on Time'' nikkas know most of his hits when bbq season starts, so lets not do this bullshyt of disrespecting people you dont like who accomplished a lot
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minus me not listening to him at first, his singles were played ALL OVER and i knew the nikka had hits, everyone across the globe can recite ''Always on Time'' nikkas know most of his hits when bbq season starts, so lets not do this bullshyt of disrespecting people you dont like who accomplished a lot
im done...
Figaro
Superstar
I was young teen when i bought the album with the joint Pain Remix with Pac....
man that album was straight horse manure
But he had hits....when those joint was on T.V...i left them shyts on
But he was nothing special in terms of ability in the booth...had a good label & good team to churn out these hits
Don't front nikkas...i know y'all was singing this to them shorties like me back in high school brehs
Where would i be with out my babbyyyyyy
man that album was straight horse manure
But he had hits....when those joint was on T.V...i left them shyts on
But he was nothing special in terms of ability in the booth...had a good label & good team to churn out these hits
Don't front nikkas...i know y'all was singing this to them shorties like me back in high school brehs
Where would i be with out my babbyyyyyy
Bro there is noooo way you can include Nas in a argument about what was going on in 00-01 when Ether came out in October of 01. Nas was in bad shape in the worst way. Roc A Fella ran the tri state, Ruff Ryders was poppin, MOP was poppin, keep it thoro was poppin Nobody was thinking about Esco in 2000 or 01 up until Summer Jam. People in Nas backyard thought he was a wrap musically and this was before Jay did that shyt at Summer Jam.
“I gave you life when nikkax forgot you MC” wasn’t some made up shyt... You must have read about it in a magazine compared to being of age at the time
You’re right about I’m Real coming out in 01 however as it has been some years.
I’m from New York City. There wasn’t any nikka listening to Eminem on the block, party, the ps, coming out of jeeps, clubs or radio (sparingly) so you got to miss me with that. Eminem’s influence was with white boys. If you listened to that nikkax thought you was target. It is what it is.
Whether Luda was taken more serious is not the point. The argument was who was top dog
I’m glad I was actually of age during that time. You people on here make up stuff
Nas was still more impactful than Ja. Jay was calling out Nas for a reason. He was still viable enough to where offered Jay competition.
Breh, NYC isn't the only city in the world and even then, it's an exaggeration to say Black people weren't listening to him. LOL, Eminem never made songs that were party starters or that were whip ready. Eminem was headphone music.
Luda was still bigger than Ja Rule.
Strictly on a MC perspective, Ja Rule existed outside of the realm of Nas, Jay, Eminem, and Luda. He was less impactful in that regard.
Devil Plisken…CMS
Veteran
It doesn’t have to be but as the once epicenter of the black artform known as rap if he was getting little to no airplay here it wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility to think it was the same case in other cities with similar ethnic makeup. Most of us had seek that shyt out because it damn sure wasn't apart of our everyday experience. Nas simply nowhere near as impactful as Ja in 2000 and most of 2001
It doesn’t have to be but as the once epicenter of the black artform known as rap if he was getting little to no airplay here it wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility to think it was the same case in other cities with similar ethnic makeup. Most of us had seek that shyt out because it damn sure wasn't apart of our everyday experience. Nas simply nowhere near as impactful as Ja in 2000 and most of 2001
Again, Ja's impact is overstated because he had hits and was selling records. Outside of that, he wasn't viewed in the same light as the others. Of course Ja was getting airplay, but he wasn't exactly viewed as a great MC. He was more in a Nelly lane and Nelly was still far bigger than Ja.
Devil Plisken…CMS
Veteran
That’s exactly what I was referring to.
Peabo Bryson
All Star
Already read thru enough caping and history re-writing on the 1st page alone.
I am a certified
Was an adult when "Can I Get A" and "Holla Holla" hit the airwaves. And was living in NYC.
No real heads or any nikkas I knew that were into hardcore hip hop or street shyt EVER owned a Ja tape/CD. Literally none of them bumped that shyt. It was radio fodder and that's all we looked at it as. Just like we didn't buy Missy Elliot or post-1995 LL Cool J albums.
When 50 came in and made fun of Ja we all rooted for 50 and was glad someone was clowning that annoying corny rapper that was coming on commercial radio every 4 songs.
Anyone who is not aligned with these feelings is:
1) Under 35 trying to falsely claim they were adults during Ja's era.
2) A cornball of age that "jammed" Ja, Lil Zane, Magoo, Rufus Blaq, etc. In other words, a fukking lame.
There is no other way to toss it.
Give a fukk who you are, what you claim or how old you are. I know I'm right and I'll be damned if some young nikkas or anti-50 stans try and re-write how it really was.
I am a certified
Was an adult when "Can I Get A" and "Holla Holla" hit the airwaves. And was living in NYC.
No real heads or any nikkas I knew that were into hardcore hip hop or street shyt EVER owned a Ja tape/CD. Literally none of them bumped that shyt. It was radio fodder and that's all we looked at it as. Just like we didn't buy Missy Elliot or post-1995 LL Cool J albums.
When 50 came in and made fun of Ja we all rooted for 50 and was glad someone was clowning that annoying corny rapper that was coming on commercial radio every 4 songs.
Anyone who is not aligned with these feelings is:
1) Under 35 trying to falsely claim they were adults during Ja's era.
2) A cornball of age that "jammed" Ja, Lil Zane, Magoo, Rufus Blaq, etc. In other words, a fukking lame.
There is no other way to toss it.
Give a fukk who you are, what you claim or how old you are. I know I'm right and I'll be damned if some young nikkas or anti-50 stans try and re-write how it really was.
