Can someone show the difference between diets at the same weight

[Darealtwo1]

Same person

But at lets say 190lbs with a diet of whatever(Snacks, Chick Fil A, Eggs, Cheese, Wings etc)

and then 190lbs with a diet of clean eating(eggs, oatmeal, rice, chicken breast etc)


I hate seeing people do this but one at 220lbs and then the next at 190lbs. Of course there's going to be a difference.

I want to see the impact diet has on your physique.

 

[The ADD]

Probably needs more variables relative to what you are trying to determine in regards to impact:

Are these people already in shape?
Trying to get in shape?
Growing muscle?
Cutting body fat?

 

[Darealtwo1]

Probably needs more variables relative to what you are trying to determine in regards to impact:

Are these people already in shape?
Trying to get in shape?
Growing muscle?
Cutting body fat?

I'm trying to see the impact on diet.

Someone that is already in shape and ripped.

I want to see the the difference in 190lbs on a bad diet vs 190lbs on a clean diet on the same person

 

[The ADD]

I'm trying to see the impact on diet.

Someone that is already in shape and ripped.

I want to see the the difference in 190lbs on a bad diet vs 190lbs on a clean diet on the same person

If they are already in shape and ripped there likely isn’t much physique difference all things being equal. Being in shape and having a fair amount of lean mass affords you more flexibility.

Again that’s assuming all factors are equal. The “bad” diet “could” lead to worse overall health, overeating (foods not as satiating) and impact performance in the gym long term.

 

[Darealtwo1]

If they are already in shape and ripped there likely isn’t much physique difference all things being equal. Being in shape and having a fair amount of lean mass affords you more flexibility.

Again that’s assuming all factors are equal. The “bad” diet “could” lead to worse overall health, overeating (foods not as satiating) and impact performance in the gym long term.

So then you can outwork a bad diet right. That notion is a lie.

You can be 190lbs at 6'3 with a bad diet and look shredded

 

[The ADD]

So then you can outwork a bad diet right. That notion is a lie.

You can be 190lbs at 6'3 with a bad diet and look shredded

Well no. I said if all factors are the same. So if the person is already 6’3, 190 and eats the within maintenance calls they “likely” won’t see much of a difference physique wise if they continue to train.

“Bad diet” needs context. Less optimal foods on an already in shape person won’t derail them at standard cals.

The bad diet can lead to things that throw the whole thing off: overeating, less intense training, skipping training, less sleep, etc.

 

[King]

So then you can outwork a bad diet right. That notion is a lie.

You can be 190lbs at 6'3 with a bad diet and look shredded

If you have the genetics for it.

There are two things always at play - the ability to put on & preserve muscle.

And the ability to create fat.

Some people can eat at a surplus and most of those calories go towards creating and preserving muscle.

Other people could train religiously and eat at a surplus and all of those extra calories go straight to fat.

These are largely genetic, there is no one size fits all approach apart from caloric manipulation. If you really want to transcend genetics, take steroids and improve your anabolic profile.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

So then you can outwork a bad diet right. That notion is a lie.

You can be 190lbs at 6'3 with a bad diet and look shredded

Outworking a bad diet is mostly directed to those trying to lose weight or recomp. Not maintain.

and even in your example, the fit person if eating a highly processed, refined carb diet might maintain weight and body comp but hold extra water weight looking puffier and less defined. While it’s an aesthetic difference vs actual body fat/weight thing, they still might not look optimal.

That said, diet isn’t usually as critical at maintenance as long as your cals are in check.

 

[Son Goku]

Same person

But at lets say 190lbs with a diet of whatever(Snacks, Chick Fil A, Eggs, Cheese, Wings etc)

and then 190lbs with a diet of clean eating(eggs, oatmeal, rice, chicken breast etc)


I hate seeing people do this but one at 220lbs and then the next at 190lbs. Of course there's going to be a difference.

I want to see the impact diet has on your physique.

Well no. I said if all factors are the same. So if the person is already 6’3, 190 and eats the within maintenance calls they “likely” won’t see much of a difference physique wise if they continue to train.

“Bad diet” needs context. Less optimal foods on an already in shape person won’t derail them at standard cals.

The bad diet can lead to things that throw the whole thing off: overeating, less intense training, skipping training, less sleep, etc.

Most of my coworkers don't understand how I can eat "like shyt" and still be brolic. I am big and lean, but I am not shredded by any means.
(You can clearly see the outline of my abs when I wear an UA baselayer for ex.)

Eating wings and CFA is not even bad IMO. Nikkas can't even eat cheese now? Snacks are bad? I eat everything in the clean diet category too, so if I have oatmeal for breakfast, McDonald's for lunch, and chicken breast/broccoli/jasmine rice for dinner, is my diet "clean" or "dirty"?


IMO it is a combination of genetics (my body will easily drop weight but struggles putting it on) and activity (I spend more hours a week in the gym than most of the lazy fukks but don't do a lot of cardio).

@Darealtwo1 It will be hard to find a definitive answer. You'd have to find the same person (can't use two different people, even twins) eating two different diets but maintaining similar macros, workout regimens, and body weights. Most folks won't have any incentive to do this; you're more likely to find before and afters of cuts or bulks.

 

[Darealtwo1]

If you have the genetics for it.

There are two things always at play - the ability to put on & preserve muscle.

And the ability to create fat.

Some people can eat at a surplus and most of those calories go towards creating and preserving muscle.

Other people could train religiously and eat at a surplus and all of those extra calories go straight to fat.

These are largely genetic, there is no one size fits all approach apart from caloric manipulation. If you really want to transcend genetics, take steroids and improve your anabolic profile.

Most of my coworkers don't understand how I can eat "like shyt" and still be brolic. I am big and lean, but I am not shredded by any means.
(You can clearly see the outline of my abs when I wear an UA baselayer for ex.)

Eating wings and CFA is not even bad IMO. Nikkas can't even eat cheese now? Snacks are bad? I eat everything in the clean diet category too, so if I have oatmeal for breakfast, McDonald's for lunch, and chicken breast/broccoli/jasmine rice for dinner, is my diet "clean" or "dirty"?


IMO it is a combination of genetics (my body will easily drop weight but struggles putting it on) and activity (I spend more hours a week in the gym than most of the lazy fukks but don't do a lot of cardio).

@Darealtwo1 It will be hard to find a definitive answer. You'd have to find the same person (can't use two different people, even twins) eating two different diets but maintaining similar macros, workout regimens, and body weights. Most folks won't have any incentive to do this; you're more likely to find before and afters of cuts or bulks.

Something like this y'all...I'm not sure if they real tho

 

[Son Goku]

Something like this y'all...I'm not sure if they real tho

Ah, gotcha.


By looking at the source these broads kinda did body recomps: they gained muscle and lost fat but ended up smaller and weighing the same (because muscle has a greater density that fat, pound for pound, and occupies less space). In order to do a body recomposition you usually need to manipulate both diet and exercise protocols. If you notice a lot of these women were or skinnyfat (no muscle) status when they started.


Yeah, I don't know how many you'd find where everything else was the same except the diet. You'd have to have the same workouts, same hydration, same amount of sleep/recovery, same amount of conditioning, same life stressors, same supplementation, etc. to get an accurate answer.


If anything else besides the diet is changed it would be hard to delineate which one was from food and which one wasn't IMO.

 

[Cape Town JHB]

These are lazy ill disciplined gym breh questions.
If you wanna look good, train like crazy and eat whatever.

If you wanna look incredible, train like crazy, and eat food that is healthy and clean promotes good gut health, digestion, replisnishes cells etc etc

The difference is a guy on a healthy organic diet has great skin, healthy sperm, good overall balance of minerals needed to maintain and sustain him long term.

The older you get(30 plus and especially 35 - 40) the more apparent it becomes.

You will not be able to eat shyt with an old man metabolism and think you're gonna look and FEEL good

 

[desjardins]

The stipulation of it being the same person at the same weight makes it hard to give suggestions
Cause ppl normally cut to a lower weight and build up but not necessarily to the original weight
Chris Jones from pumpchasers use to do a series on his channel where he went from "fat jones" to competition cut. Maybe check that out for a general idea