that's another bullshyt line of thinking that needs to stop when it comes to black qbs...no one wins without talent around them, i dont care who you are...joe montana didnt win without talent around him....elway, brady, warner, manning, farve, bradshaw, arod, etc....yea, you can win some games, but you dont win a ring without talent.... yet when it comes to black qbs, they are expected to win it all with waterboys and concession stand employees as teammates....
as for your second point: without jameis, that team would have a worse record and be worse off, so what are you saying?....even though he's on a shytty team, he still should be carrying them to a division title cause 'he should be making his teammates, coaches, the entire organization better'....lol ok....