Can We Admit, Jamis Winston has been a Disappointment?

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Give him time. From what i see QBs take a while to "get it". :manny:
If im not mistaken it took Breeze, Cam, and slew of others a while to put it all together. The Chargers ditched Breeze and picked Rivers for a reason. Granted, Breeze had one hell of a year his last year as a Charger to upp his free-agent status but by then the Chargers were already set on making a move at QB
 

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Breh is incapable of completing a touch pass. Holds the ball way too long looking for The Big Play instead of just sustaining drives. It looks good 3-5 times a game when he completes a long bomb, and then the rest of the time he's literally throwing away easy points and field position.

Honestly, he looks terrible out there.
He holds onto it for a long time cuz we run a vertical offense, but that's when we had Evans, VJax, and Austin Stefarian-Jenkins on the squad, all three of them were 6'5" dudes who could go after big bombs, we lost two of them and now have 2 slot receivers in there place, people need to be honest here, does Russel Sheppard and Adam Humpharies actuall scare opposing defense or are they just after thoughts? When they're in that 3rd and 4th receiver role, their fine, but as no. 2s they're ehh. The playcalling is still the same even with 2 of our receivers out, run deep routes. There's no balance to what type of pass plays are called, last year with Lovie we wouldn't go deep and this year we don't run short stuff. It doesn't help that we lost 3 running backs as well, Martin needs to come back as well or just put him on IR, cuz something ain't right with his hamstring since he's been out since week 2.

What pissed me off yesterday our fans sayin' that the defense did enough to win the game, what the fukk were they watchin'? Carr throws for 500 yards and they run for another 120 on the ground, then give up the game tying touchdown at the end.

This team still has a serious lack of talent and it was put on full display yesterday, that's what happens when your gm trades 2 decent picks and drafts a fukkin' kicker who can't kick.
 

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I don't think he'll ever be a bust. First game I saw him play, I saw a Black Big Ben. Still see it today. Bucs just aren't the Steelers when Ben arrived. His accuracy needs some work though.
He's in a bad situation.

Mike Evans is a good WR but he doesn't have the best hands. And he's also the only real receiving option...since Sefarian Jenkins didn't work out and Cameron Brate isn't all that great and Vincent Jackson is old and hurt.
His #1 and #2 RBs are hurt.

Winston has 14 TDs on the season, which is tied for 9th best in the league. That's very good for a 2nd year guy. But his 9 INTs are tied for 3rd highest in the league.
Tampa is 18th in rushing yards this year. And I have to think that's a part of the INT's that Winston has thrown. The lack of a running game and having just 1 go-to offensive option has made the offense one dimensional.
 

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He's in a bad situation.

Mike Evans is a good WR but he doesn't have the best hands. And he's also the only real receiving option...since Sefarian Jenkins didn't work out and Cameron Brate isn't all that great and Vincent Jackson is old and hurt.
His #1 and #2 RBs are hurt.

Winston has 14 TDs on the season, which is tied for 9th best in the league. That's very good for a 2nd year guy. But his 9 INTs are tied for 3rd highest in the league.
Tampa is 18th in rushing yards this year. And I have to think that's a part of the INT's that Winston has thrown. The lack of a running game and having just 1 go-to offensive option has made the offense one dimensional.
6 of his ints came in between the games where Martin was injured and Sims was the starting RB (he's not starter material) 4 against the Cardinals, 2 against the Broncos, 1 against the Rams (all good defenses too)

He's thrown 6 tds and 1 int with Rodgers as his main rb. Sad thing he's injured now too.
 

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6 of his ints came in between the games where Martin was injured and Sims was the starting RB (he's not starter material) 4 against the Cardinals, 2 against the Broncos, 1 against the Rams (all good defenses too)

He's thrown 6 tds and 1 int with Rodgers as his main rb. Sad thing he's injured now too.

That's not even counting the ones that are tipped off his receivers hands.
 

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Loss VJax (who was kinda washed) ASF (was supposed to be his big time TE) Martin, Sweezy on the oline

Its a lot. Now he sails passes. So he's gotta be better. However, he's not surrounded by a lot. Not sure the HC is HC material either.

It really is about being at the right organization at the right time..

With all that being said...It still goes back to what I said at first though. Based on the hype he was still expected to be like a young Peyton Manning coming into the league. Right now he looks more like a young Eli. Nothing wrong with that though.

looking at his numbers, he is being a young peyton...he has put up similar, if not better numbers so far in the same time with less talent around him.....

as for this thread: this is the overreaction type of stuff you hear/see the media do cause of 1 game, ignoring everything else...ex: the way they declared mariota was better after 2 games last year, but jameis finished with the better year; the way they crowned wentz after 2-3 games, and now look at him....will give the op credit for at least admitting to doing that...

to answer your question: no, he's not a disappointment....he's doing quite well figuring he has doesnt have a lot of talent around him and has had 2 head coaches in 2 years....is there stuff he can work on? yes, of course....but that will come with experience and as the talent around him gets better....
 
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That's not even counting the ones that are tipped off his receivers hands.
He's only thrown about 4 "bad" ints.

First one Vincent Jackson ran the wrong route, one VJax barely made an effort on the ball, Sims had two ints bounce off his hands, one was a hail mary in a blowout when he should have been out of the game,

Its too bad he has those unfortunate ints. Because I think that has hurt his normal aggressiveness/play calling. Coach is scared to let Jameis be Jameis and he's trying to place some of these throws instead of letting it rip.
 

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If they get Jameis some playmakers around him he will start to live up to the hype. All the tools and talent is there for him to succeed. He's not a potential Jamarcus Russell or anything but the Bucs do need to upgrade the offensive talent around him.

this is something that happens far too often and needs to be brought up more to call the league on their bullshyt...i'm not just talking about jameis, i'm talking about black qbs in general....teams never seem to get them high level talent after they see them succeed with shyt talent around them....and then when it doesnt work out, they throw the qb under the bus instead of pointing out he didnt have good talent around him....but when they get a less talented white qb, they go out and get the best talent in the world....if it works, they then claim it's the qb and not the difference in talent....it's obvious bullshyt people need to start calling out...
 

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he's on one of the woat franchises and they ain't drowned yet
they ain't flying but just off the fact he got more heart than every other qb added up

that's how it goes lots of qbs that ain't got it like bro but lucked up by landing in the right spot

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looking at his numbers, he is being a young peyton...he has put up similar, if not better numbers so far in the same time with less talent around him.....

as for this thread: this is the overreaction type of stuff you hear/see the media do cause of 1 game, ignoring everything else...ex: the way they declared mariota was better afeter 2 games last year, but jameis finished with the better year; the way they crowned wentz after 2-3 games, and now look at him....will give the op credit for at least admitting to doing that...

to answer your question: no, he's not a disappointment....he's doing quite well figuring he has doesnt have a lot of talent around him and has had 2 head coaches in 2 years....is there stuff he can work on? yes, of course....but that will come with experience and as the talent around him gets better....

Peyton might be the greatest qb of all time let's take it easy with saying hes gonna be Peyton just because Peyton didn't put up good numbers early on

He's more similliar to Eli then Peyton which isn't a knock
 

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Great QBs make average players good and good players elite. That should be the expectation for a good QB, not "he needs more help" to be evaluated as a QB. You could always make the case that every QB needs their offensive talent to be upgraded

As for Jameis hes not a bust, but he hasn't really been consistently good either. He's a 15-20 level QB in the league right now on a mediocre team...his play isn't enough to raise TB's overall level of play as a team

that's another bullshyt line of thinking that needs to stop when it comes to black qbs...no one wins without talent around them, i dont care who you are...joe montana didnt win without talent around him....elway, brady, warner, manning, farve, bradshaw, arod, etc....yea, you can win some games, but you dont win a ring without talent.... yet when it comes to black qbs, they are expected to win it all with waterboys and concession stand employees as teammates....

as for your second point: without jameis, that team would have a worse record and be worse off, so what are you saying?....even though he's on a shytty team, he still should be carrying them to a division title cause 'he should be making his teammates, coaches, the entire organization better'....lol ok....
 

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Peyton might be the greatest qb of all time let's take it easy with saying hes gonna be Peyton just because Peyton didn't put up good numbers early on

He's more similliar to Eli then Peyton which isn't a knock

i didnt say he was gonna be peyton....the person i quoted used that comparison as a way to knock jameis...i was just pointing out that his numbers so far have been just as good as peyton's his first 2 years....

also, that's another thing people use against black qbs: they only compare them to the some of the best....if they dont live up to that standard, then they are considered a bust...
 

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Definitely not a bust. But a little overrated and overhyped would be more precise. If you look at the value the Rams got for Mariota, knowing you'd get even more for Jameis, there's no way I'd weigh what Jameis has shown more than that.

People got a little too gassed up about this:
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While looking past some of the on field traits to be concerned with at FSU.
 
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