can we all admit that everyone in some way, shape or form has had a "ghostwriter" or ghostproducer"?

[I love Latina women]

some people more than others

dre has always had a ghostwriter
puffy has always had a ghostwriter

but again, neither of those guys are "mcs" per say and are "producers" so that is what it is

but i'm makin' this thread because i just finished watchin' this king tee interview and really they ain't say nothin' i didn't already know, because i knew del (cube's cousin) wrote a couple of rhymes for him --- which is stated in the interview below

but no matter who the mc is, 9 times outta 10, whenever he in the studio and vibin' with his crew or best friends, 9 times outta some or maybe a couple or 1 of those friends who also write at some point or another will more than likely write for that mc and vice versa. it's common, y'all cool and maybe he got some great shyt he just thought of and wrote it and and you had writer's block and because y'all cool and he or they yo nikkas, you cool with it because y'all a crew

now i'm NOT sayin' all do it but i'm sure most and i'm NOT sayin' it's cool like say if you a mc who ALWAYS prides himself on bein' the "best" mc and you front like you've never had a nikka write yo rhymes but what i am sayin' it is common and it's always been to some degree even if an mc doesn't always use a ghostwriter

but 9 times outta 10, these guys run out of ideas and whenever someone or "the crew" come up with some great shyt and wanna see their homie still on top of his game, i'm sure most pen a line or 2 or 3 or a verse (lol) for their nikka

oh yeah, here's the interview (which i'm sure has been posted but fukk it, it goes along with this thread and is what this thread is about)

 

[Da King]

who ghostwrote for pac?

 

[DaveyDave]

who ghostwrote for pac?

I've heard Ray Luv I think

But helping your homie out in the studio isn't ghostwriting. If you say "hey this word might sound better this way" that's not ghostwriting

 

[I love Latina women]

who ghostwrote for pac?

i wouldn't be shocked if 1 of tha outlawz or thug life threw him a line or 2 from time to time

look man, i know it sucks to think of your goat as not havin' bein' the creator of every single line/verse ever credited to him, but it is what it is

i'm just sayin' sometimes ideas, lines and slang gets thrown around and when you got yo nikkas and crew withchu in the studio, sometimes they help and add their 2 cents to how a line should be or shouldn't if y'all all in the studio listenin' to the music and they wanna see you win and sound your best

 

[I love Latina women]

gotdamn, this thread already got 1 star

just hear me out for a second... read my 1st post and hear me out lol

y'all nikkas too overprotective over some nikkas y'all don't even know

i love the music too but shyt, these nikkas ain't superman

every nikka once and blue moon gets writer's block. ain't nobody immune to that shyt

 

[Taadow]

but no matter who the mc is, 9 times outta 10, ...

now i'm NOT sayin' all do it but...

You killed your own point saying these things.

/thread

 

[re'up]

Of course Will Smith, Dre, Puff had writers.....They aren't true artists (lyricists) why it's unacceptable to have someone write/ghost your whole verse, flow, cadence, persona....Thats the Drake shyt.....Yeah, artists from across the board have had contributions, credited and uncredited, lines, concepts, hooks....Thats normal. You think Nas had some flunky write bars like 'I clapped at Satatn but thought i was dreaming/woke up masterbating in a bed with demons'....No, that's Nas the artist and all the sick and weird shyt that comes from HIS brain. You think he had a 5k/month retained employee write songs like 'Drunk By Myself', and 'Undying Love'? Thats the difference between a real artist and a hologram like Drake, who shifts through different styles, because the real one? who he really is? Is a suburban kid from Toronto, with a real limited creative imagination, and very singular life experiences before the fame.

 

[I love Latina women]

You killed your own point saying these things.

/thread

jesus, some of y'all nikkas love to lose focus and go and nitpick at every detail of shyt

yeah, you right. i did a bit but you missin the point i was tryin' to make bruh

come on bruh, don't be a dikk and overlook the main point i'm tryin' to make

i swear some of y'all nikkas love to just ice skate over the main shyt and then just ride off on 1 particular thing

 

[CouldntBeMeTho]

Lemme guesss. Op is a drake stan?

 

[CrimsonTider]

Of course Will Smith, Dre, Puff had writers.....They aren't true artists (lyricists) why it's unacceptable to have someone write/ghost your whole verse, flow, cadence, persona....Thats the Drake shyt.....Yeah, artists from across the board have had contributions, credited and uncredited, lines, concepts, hooks....Thats normal. You think Nas had some flunky write bars like 'I clapped at Satatn but thought i was dreaming/woke up masterbating in a bed with demons'....No, that's Nas the artist and all the sick and weird shyt that comes from HIS brain. You think he had a 5k/month retained employee write songs like 'Drunk By Myself', and 'Undying Love'? Thats the difference between a real artist and a hologram like Drake, who shifts through different styles, because the real one? who he really is? Is a suburban kid from Toronto, with a real limited creative imagination, and very singular life experiences before the fame.

what about common, 2pac, scarface and twista?

 

[Taadow]

jesus, some of y'all nikkas love to lose focus and go and nitpick at every detail of shyt

yeah, you right. i did a bit but you missin the point i was tryin' to make bruh

come on bruh, don't be a dikk and overlook the main point i'm tryin' to make

i swear some of y'all nikkas love to just ice skate over the main shyt and then just ride off on 1 particular thing

How you gonna say "everyone in some way, shape, or form" does something...
then say how 1 person out of 10 doesn't do that? That's not "everyone", is it?

If that's not what you mean, then don't say it...

 

[I love Latina women]

Of course Will Smith, Dre, Puff had writers.....They aren't true artists (lyricists) why it's unacceptable to have someone write/ghost your whole verse, flow, cadence, persona....Thats the Drake shyt.....Yeah, artists from across the board have had contributions, credited and uncredited, lines, concepts, hooks....Thats normal. You think Nas had some flunky write bars like 'I clapped at Satatn but thought i was dreaming/woke up masterbating in a bed with demons'....No, that's Nas the artist and all the sick and weird shyt that comes from HIS brain. You think he had a 5k/month retained employee write songs like 'Drunk By Myself', and 'Undying Love'? Thats the difference between a real artist and a hologram like Drake, who shifts through different styles, because the real one? who he really is? Is a suburban kid from Toronto, with a real limited creative imagination, and very singular life experiences before the fame.

i hear you, i hear you

but all i'm sayin' is, i'm sure everyone from biggie to drake has had help in some shape or form. and i'm not a fan of drake at all but i'm just sayin'

where it's be a line or 2 or a verse or a whole song. most if not all, get help from time to time, sooner or later

ain't nobody immune to constantly goin' without no help

i'd be a fool to think a nikka really ALL of his writin' WITHOUT ANY help, come on, bruh

and honestly, at the end of the day, who really gives a fukk? i mean, what do i gain from another nikka writin' a whole song? NOTHIN'!

all i care about is the final product, the music

it's nice to know who wrote it and give props to the the person who did but at the end of the day i'm enjoyin' the music

i don't really get nothin' from the givin' a fukk about who wrote the shyt

but i enjoy listenin' to the music and rhymin'/tappin' my feet/mimicin' the mc who's rhymin' while i'm listenin' to the song

 

[I love Latina women]

How you gonna say "everyone in some way, shape, or form" does something...
then say how 1 person out of 10 doesn't do that? That's not "everyone", is it?

If that's not what you mean, then don't say it...

ok, bruh you right
but let's stick to the topic at hand

lemme rephrase it, 9 times outta 10, most prolly do
is that better?

jesus, some of y'all nikkas love to ice skate

 

[DPG]

I've heard Ray Luv I think

But helping your homie out in the studio isn't ghostwriting. If you say "hey this word might sound better this way" that's not ghostwriting

The song was "Trapped" (only one verse if I remember correctly) and Ray Luv has writing credit, so it's not ghostwritting.

 

[I love Latina women]

i can already see a lot of nikkas not gon really get what i'm tryin' to say but it's all good

look man, dr. dre has been 1 of my favorite producers since the chronic came out

but when i found out he didn't do as much work as i thought he was did, i was thrown for a loop

but then the more i thought about it, it made sense in a way as far as his ghost producers goes

he's surrounded by a great team of producers who have all this talent and quite naturally he's runs out of ideas and themes like anybody else would so he works with others to get his ideas off the ground and vibes with them

now i do think everyone should be properly credited for ANY work they do so i'm not against that but i'm just sayin' it makes sense that he pulls different people in and works with them because every loses steam after a while and in order to keep yo shyt tight, you collaborate

besides, like i said. why should i really give a fukk about who wrote what or produced what?

I WANT THE MUSIC. the FINAL PRODUCT

it's nice to read the linear notes and all but shyt, the MUSIC is what i want

i don't know, i've just had a changed of heart on this shyt