Can we be real and admit that the mass appeal releases thus far have been absolutely wack?

[keond]

The beats have been stuck in the mid 90s dusty nikka NYC shyt. Nas had the best releases mostly because he chose a producer that was current (I didn't like the Hitkid stuff as much as the previous joints however)

 

[WhenWeWereKings]

Why yal always get your panties in a bunch over other ppl opinions ?

If you like it, rock with it. If other ppl aint feeling it that's cool as well.

 

[Piff Perkins]

The beats have been stuck in the mid 90s dusty nikka NYC shyt. Nas had the best releases mostly because he chose a producer that was current (I didn't like the Hitkid stuff as much as the previous joints however)

IMO the issue isn't that the beats are dusty. Most people here like dusty beats. There are some dope beats on the albums. Then you get shyt like this...




Both the Rae and Ghost albums also have these really dramatic beats with loudly mixed drums that just feel like something you'd pick in 2008 if you wanted an imitation Dre beat.

Ghost always had a great ear for beats and constantly worked with the best underground producers while other veteran rappers were spitting over lazy shyt. Ghost rocked over Madlib, Dilla, DOOM, Jake One, Frank Dukes, Alchemist, etc. Yet here it seems like he's completely divorced from the current underground.

 

[laflame]

Ghost shoulda waited for Ye crazy ass to calm down for a season and get him some beats like he originally planned

 

[spliz]

I gotta be honest, I don't like this implication, and frankly this does a disservice at Al too, because it puts unnecessary friction on him. People are rightfully gonna start taking shots at him to defend what feels like an attack on the culture. Hiphop is black expression and black art at its core, and it always will be. White people are guests in the house. One of the reasons Al has the widespread respect that he does is because he believes that he's a guest in this art form and shows reverence and gratitude for that.

It just rubs me the wrong way whenever an argument is framed as "white people are doing black music better than black people." It really does feel kind of racist, and I feel like there are better ways to critique the game and make the kinds of points you're making.

My post in this thread highlights how full of shyt OP is and u highlighting these posts actually makes me not take anything he’s saying seriously cause that shyt is flagrant.

 

[spliz]

IMO the issue isn't that the beats are dusty. Most people here like dusty beats. There are some dope beats on the albums. Then you get shyt like this...




Both the Rae and Ghost albums also have these really dramatic beats with loudly mixed drums that just feel like something you'd pick in 2008 if you wanted an imitation Dre beat.

Ghost always had a great ear for beats and constantly worked with the best underground producers while other veteran rappers were spitting over lazy shyt. Ghost rocked over Madlib, Dilla, DOOM, Jake One, Frank Dukes, Alchemist, etc. Yet here it seems like he's completely divorced from the current underground.

Wow this beat is trash. It’s crazy cause Ghost and Rae out of all the older cats would sound the best over the current crop of underground production.

 

[THE 101]

This is definitely a big factor. There's a lot of posters on here that were from SOHH and never really fund new musical taste, and a lot of them (no oiffense to some of ya'll) are the ones asking for folks to Pass the Mustard when 99% of the world has moved on to having a Spotify or Apple Music account and just streaming everything.

It really surprised me how many people on here just now heard about Roc Marci because they clicked on his thread here because they say Preemo produced it. Like, how can anyone even slightly tapped in not have heard of Roc Marci between 2010 and 2025?


Most of us here are old heads and uncs, but there are levels to the old head and unc game. There are for real some people that never listened to any new hip-hip after the 200's. fukk, even Havoc is one of them. Havoc and ALC had a livestream last year, and ALC was talking about modern era classics (he was implying the last 10-15 years) and Al named DS2, TPAB, Pinata, etc, and he asked Havoc what his favorite new era classic album is, and Havoc said Get Rich or Die Trying Al was like "I meant like last 10 years" and Hav couldn't really name anything. He looked dumbfounded. It just seemed like Hav stopped listening to new shyt after the 2000's.

Yeah and that point you make about Havoc not listening to hip hop anymore is very relevant when considering this Ghost album. Ghost for as long as I can remember has said he doesn't listen to rap. He's strictly on that 70s soul shyt. I feel Ghost especially is strictly in the game now for a bag. I think he checked out after his Def Jam deal ended. He's either doing these collabo albums with producers like Adrian Younge and BadBadNotGood where it feels like he's just gave them some acapellas to put music over or he's working with bargain basement producers to sell cheap product like those last couple of albums.

And then Supreme Clientele 2 was Ghost just releasing a bunch of cutting room floor shyt packaged as a sequel to his most beloved album. Everything he's done for 15 years seems to have been to make some bread with as little effort as possible. Bro clearly doesn't give a fukk about this rap shyt anymore. But if that's the case then I don't have to care either.

 

[ℒℴѵℯJay ELECTUA]

all three so far are pretty much underwhelming!

 

[Don Homer]

Rae's album was forgettable

Ghost's album was dope for the most part. Metaphysics and The Zoom are 2 of the best tracks to come out this year, regardless of genre

 

[Art Barr]

Review the album and show us there tho.

A lot of y'all talk but don't review.
or rant shyt tho.



So rant the material and give an indepth review rating.

Ypu are here to save people's time and money. Yet all y'all in general flaug.

So get to rant'n.

rant or die.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

Surprises me that people read, or care about comments under Youtube videos.

Yputibe comments are rhe equivalent of the news reporter interview on twista.

Ol buddy came out with a hot dog.
i wanna be seen face ass bullshyt.


fukk a youtube comment.





Art Barr

 

[Bugzbunny129]

Theres both underselling and overselling here. These albums arent classics. Some of yall overhyping them like crazy. Like this rae album not even better than immobilarity to keep it a buck. Ghost did himself no favors with the name neither.

At same time. They aint “fukking trash” either… Typical wutang release aka if it aint 4 mic at least.. “fukking garbage” lmao. No inbetween. Either yall hate the whole album, or love it. Hmmmmmm

Some of you act like they 1 mic albums while you call every griselda release every 3 months for last ten years “fire” and never bring them up EVER again. “Wheres alc”. “Gunn needs to currate”. Give it a rest.

bringing up albums like LLs n common as if they had people hype for their previous few albums… these new shyts came outta nowhere. Noone was checking for fukking LL or common until linking with those producers. Both guys have acting careers and do hip hop for the love.

Comparing 50 year olds album to their 25-30 yr old former self is just asinine. people were doubting rae could do it on cl2 at 30/35… Noone in 2010 thought 80s legends was gon drop a classicn or went off how trash it was for not matching paid in full or bdp etc. They was called played out by 90 letalone 2000.


but these black and white statements less than 24 hrs in… hip hop fans… on the coli dot dot dot com …


Maybe if yall pray REAL HARD and hold ya breathe rza will come back and bring back the 90s bruhs. Lets go another 30 years of repeating the same thing. fukk it. Im game

 

[Stick Up Kid]

Rae's album was forgettable

Ghost's album was dope for the most part. Metaphysics and The Zoom are 2 of the best tracks to come out this year, regardless of genre

99% of albums in today’s era are forgettable, they all come and go

These nikkas is 55+ years old, wtf yall expecting

 

[u mad son?]

Not surprised to hear that. Just pointing out OP already made up his mind it's a great album without hearing anything outside the underwhelming single. Same type of biased behavior he accusing everyone else of in here.

Bro... I know its gonna be fire because when does alchemist every fukking disappoint? If erykah chose alc to produce her first album in 20 years or whatever it is... Im already knowing it's going to be crazy. If it ends up being wack then I'm going to say it... But my confidence in this album being dope comes from a decade long run of alc releasing bangers

 

[u mad son?]

I gotta be honest, I don't like this implication, and frankly this does a disservice at Al too, because it puts unnecessary friction on him. People are rightfully gonna start taking shots at him to defend what feels like an attack on the culture. Hiphop is black expression and black art at its core, and it always will be. White people are guests in the house. One of the reasons Al has the widespread respect that he does is because he believes that he's a guest in this art form and shows reverence and gratitude for that.

It just rubs me the wrong way whenever an argument is framed as "white people are doing black music better than black people." It really does feel kind of racist, and I feel like there are better ways to critique the game and make the kinds of points you're making.

I hear you, I wasn't even going to go down that route and neither do I care but someone told me that it's an agenda that I'm bigging up a white man doing hip hop better than others. I don't care about that agenda but since people wanted to bring it up, I'm bringing up that actually white dons are carrying the scene when it comes to soulful productions