Can we talk about Assad for a minute?

[thekingsmen]

Late 2010. What does that have to do with anything?

There is actually a difference between precision bombs taking out military targets and dumping barrels filled with explosives in civilian neighbourhoods.

What L would that be? Your argument thus far is those protesters were CIA agents...barrel bombs are the same as any other bombs

You clearly didn't do the research nor read all the ish I dropped.

1. Arab Spring was funded, supported and orchestrated by the West. [FONT=Arial, Tahoma, Helvetica, FreeSans, sans-serif]Moncef Marzouki was exiled from Tunisia over 20 years to France before returning home. He worked with Institutions like the NED, Open Society and USAID. State Department worked on Egypt by creating the April 6th Movement since 2008 which helped do the A.S. in Jan 2011. The West used areas listed by West Point CTC group in 2007 as terrorist locations and changed them from areas of protesters to fit the narrative for Libya and Syria because the people supported their leaders in those countries.

2. What precision bombing happen in Iraq and Afghanistan? Civilians were bombed in their homes, funerals and weddings. FOH.

Son you need to take the L cause it's only getting worse here as we go farther in.

 

[Leasy]

Symbolic



And yet





Something's up

Daesh is fighting Turkish backed Free Syrian Army near Al Bab.

Russian Air Force bombed Raqqa today though it's not confirmed


This war is confusing

Reading through this thread I've realized I still have no clue wtf is going on out there and who's who.

It's not confusing just research the backers of the war.

America led coalition of Saudi Qatar wants a pipeline to run through Syria to provide oil to Europe which will rid them of their dependencies on Russia Oil.

Supposedly a deal was in place in the 00s but Assad backed out of the deal and you know what America does when it wants its way.

Russia is Syria ally for decades and Russia also has a million dollar weapon deal with Syria as well and Russia only coastal port is in Syria in a American led Middle East. Russia had a lot to lose in this war which is why with permission of Assad they gladly jumped in what surprises me is that it seem America n others didn't expect it

Iran has troops in Syria as well as China. Iran is a Shia country who is fighting a proxy war in Uemen against Saudi Arabia and in Syria.

China joined in because traces of extremist Muslims who may have an influence from Isis encroaching on their land.


This is basically an Word War 3 proxy war. Turkey is an outsider looking in and I am starting to think that they might leave NATO that coup was a horrible flop by our government.

 

[Poetical Poltergeist]

It's not confusing just research the backers of the war.

America led coalition of Saudi Qatar wants a pipeline to run through Syria to provide oil to Europe which will rid them of their dependencies on Russia Oil.

Supposedly a deal was in place in the 00s but Assad backed out of the deal and you know what America does when it wants its way.

Russia is Syria ally for decades and Russia also has a million dollar weapon deal with Syria as well and Russia only coastal port is in Syria in a American led Middle East. Russia had a lot to lose in this war which is why with permission of Assad they gladly jumped in what surprises me is that it seem America n others didn't expect it

Iran has troops in Syria as well as China. Iran is a Shia country who is fighting a proxy war in Uemen against Saudi Arabia and in Syria.

China joined in because traces of extremist Muslims who may have an influence from Isis encroaching on their land.


This is basically an Word War 3 proxy war. Turkey is an outsider looking in and I am starting to think that they might leave NATO that coup was a horrible flop by our government.

So America is behind the attempted coup in Syria and Turkey. But Assad is backed by Russia, and we won't flex any harder so to not start an even larger war with Russia?

Isis is fighting who in syria? the rebels?

 

[thekingsmen]

So America is behind the attempted coup in Syria and Turkey. But Assad is backed by Russia, and we won't flex any harder so to not start an even larger war with Russia?

Isis is fighting who in syria? the rebels?

1. U.S. attempted coup in Syria, not Turkey.
2. ISIS is fighting Assad, the Rebels are fighting Assad.

 

[DrBanneker]

It's not confusing just research the backers of the war.

America led coalition of Saudi Qatar wants a pipeline to run through Syria to provide oil to Europe which will rid them of their dependencies on Russia Oil.

Supposedly a deal was in place in the 00s but Assad backed out of the deal and you know what America does when it wants its way.

Russia is Syria ally for decades and Russia also has a million dollar weapon deal with Syria as well and Russia only coastal port is in Syria in a American led Middle East. Russia had a lot to lose in this war which is why with permission of Assad they gladly jumped in what surprises me is that it seem America n others didn't expect it

Iran has troops in Syria as well as China. Iran is a Shia country who is fighting a proxy war in Uemen against Saudi Arabia and in Syria.

China joined in because traces of extremist Muslims who may have an influence from Isis encroaching on their land.


This is basically an Word War 3 proxy war. Turkey is an outsider looking in and I am starting to think that they might leave NATO that coup was a horrible flop by our government.

Turkey was an instigator along with the Gulf States. See the Seymour Hersh article a few years back on how Erdogan and his intelligence chief were the main ones pushing Obama to intervene claiming Assad was using WMD. Erdogan sees the fight is lost now so is switching dikks to stay ahead of events. I have heard through the grapevine that NATO has been pissed at Turkey for a while for letting ISIS & Co. use their borders and financial system and looking the other way. This Syria shyt is a huge mess and everyone is double dealing everyone else at this point.

 

[DrBanneker]

Assad needed Iran and Russia on his side and was wily enough to work it out (and play them against each other to lessen both influence over him) but this all got started because he hamfisted the response to Arab Spring. The Russians (Sergei Lavrov) said as much:

Start at 10:30, Assad was pissing them off even when they tried to help even before this shyt popped off

 

[AyahuascaSippin]

OK, so prove that the hundreds of thousands of people he killed are hired mercenaries and not innocent civilians. You castigate him for "speaking with certainty" but then present an alternative reality with zero proof.

I didn't say that they are. I'll slow it down for you.

1. There are countless examples of western manipulation of facts, resources and regimes in the Middle East.

2. The action we are 'taking' in Syria mirrors the other nations we have destroyed through the Arab spring and long before. It

3. Even if you follow the false intelligence, misdirection and exaggerated threats of the past; many sane people will still agree that we made mistakes in hindsight.

4. Our own media sources that many of you cite as some type of golden conch to validate your opinion made HUGE errors factually when reporting on past conflicts, which were NEVER corrected. The cheering Indians in Libya is one example.

5. Combining these factors suggests that the overwhelming probability rests with the fact that we have once again fabricated the entire conflict for an alterior motive. us being correct is less likely and our intervention assisting the people is almost guaranteed NOT to happen.

Happy? Nah I didn't think so. But unfortunately the facts don't change based on your naivety or subconscious prejudices.

 

[Uncle Hotep]

 

[Trajan]

Sure.... Old tactics reused....

March 1949 Syrian coup d'état - Wikipedia

Breh, what does this prove? Coups in the context of the Cold War were common. They occurred often all over Africa, Latin America and the Middle East as post-colonial countries found their footing in the midst of jousting between giants. Army Generals took over everywhere. Besides Hafez Al Assad came to power in such a coup but you have no problem with that.

Let’s say the CIA were involved…does that mean they were involved in every coup since ?

You act like everything was hunky dory in Syria. How about all the uprisings from 1976 to 1982 culminating in the Hama Massacre. Was that the CIA too?

By your logic, because the CIA overthrew Mossadegh of Iran in 1953 they must’ve also overthrew the Shah in 1979. See how fallacious that argument is?

Macmillan backed Syria assassination plot

The plan called for funding of a “Free Syria Committee” [hmmm … sounds vaguely familiar], and the arming of “political factions with paramilitary or other actionist capabilities” within Syria. The CIA and MI6 would instigate internal uprisings, for instance by the Druze [a Shia Muslim sect] in the south, help to free political prisoners held in the Mezze prison, and stir up the Muslim Brotherhood in Damascus.

The "preferred plan"adds: "Once a political decision is reached to proceed with internal disturbances in Syria, CIA is prepared, and SIS [MI6] will attempt, to mount minor sabotage and coup de main incidents within Syria, working through contacts with individuals.

The planners envisaged replacing the Ba'ath/Communist regime with one that was firmly anti-Soviet, but they conceded that this would not be popular and "would probably need to rely first upon repressive measures and arbitrary exercise of power".

What does this prove? Governments in exile or rebels tend to call themselves a variation on ‘’Free____’’ to imply that they're fighting for freedom.

Free French Forces (French: France Libre and Forces françaises libres) were the government-in-exile led by Charles de Gaulle during the Second World War and its military forces that continued to fight against the Axis powers as one of the Allies after the fall of France.

Free France - Wikipedia

Free Norwegian forces

The Norwegian armed forces in exile (Norwegian: Utefronten, "Forces Abroad") were remnants of the armed forces of Norway that continued to fight theAxis powers from Allied countries, such as Britain and Canada, after they had escaped the German conquest of Norway during World War II.


Free Belgian forces

The Free Belgian forces (French: Forces belges libres, Dutch: Vrije Belgische Strijdkrachten) were soldiers from Belgium and its colonies who fought as part of the Allied armies during World War II, after the official Belgian surrender to Nazi Germany.


Get the point? The laughable thing is you think setting up a ‘’Free ___ Committee’’ is a unique feature to Syria and indicative of a longterm plot. Let me get this straight Macmillan conspired to set up the FSA in 1956 but the West waited until 2011 to implement it?



Why the Arabs Don’t Want Us in Syria

Syria: Another Pipeline War

2007

The Redirection

To undermine Iran, which is predominantly Shiite, the Bush Administration has decided, in effect, to reconfigure its priorities in the Middle East. In Lebanon, the Administration has coöperated with Saudi Arabia’s government, which is Sunni, in clandestine operations that are intended to weaken Hezbollah, the Shiite organization that is backed by Iran. The U.S. has also taken part in clandestine operations aimed at Iran and its ally Syria. A by-product of these activities has been the bolstering of Sunni extremist groups that espouse a militant vision of Islam and are hostile to America and sympathetic to Al Qaeda.


2007 West Point Counter-Terrorism Center...

Breh what part do you want me to address? I’m not about to read a 31 page document. I don’t get paid to debunk conspiracy theories.

Hmmmm I wonder where these so called "crackdowns" began...


U.S. supports Opposition groups in Syria
US 'funded Syria opposition groups'





2012 FOIA Report....

http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-con...12-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf



Your Move.....

In 2012 it was foreseeable that hardline salafists would fill the vacuum left by the collapse of govt power in Sunni heartlands bordering Iraq


Breh the Arab Spring is not one big Western conspiracy. It was foreseeable to everyone paying attention to the situation. For example this is an article from the Guardian from 2008:

There is a saying in Cairo: nobody dies of hunger in Egypt. But now many of those who rarely took into account the cost of food are going hungry as surging oil and crop prices drive up the price of staples such as rice and pasta. That in turn has forced up demand for heavily subsidised goods - particularly very cheap bread - not just among the half of the population that lives on less than £1 a day, like the al-Latifs, but those further up the social scale.

The surge in demand for the poor quality but cheap bread - the state meets 96% of the cost - came just as wheat prices rose sharply. The government struggled to meet the increased demand and the bread shortages became the focus of a wave of anger at what is seen as official incompetence, indifference and duplicity.

Compounding the crisis is Egypt’s attempts to reform its system of subsidised food for the poor that takes more of the national budget than health and education, and the government’s pursuit of exports and foreign investment by growing fruit for European supermarkets in place of staples such as wheat.

More strident critics of President Hosni Mubarak’s 27-year rule predict the crisis will bring him down. But attempts to translate the evident anger into popular protest have flopped amid fear of the government and the alternatives to it.

Egypt: bread shortages, hunger and unrest

The economist newspaper to their credit had similar warnings for years. In other words, Stevie Wonder could see shyt was going to hit the fan. The right circumstances (food, unemployment, corruption) will always lead to popular revolt and this has been the case from Ancient Rome to the French Revolution to Egypt and Tunisia. Syria wasn’t any different. You had 24m ppl trying to eke out a living out of a tiny bit of agricultural land…something had to give.

The funny thing is you pop all triumphant with this shyt like you’re kicking knowledge. Ya shyt garbage.

 

[thekingsmen]

Breh, what does this prove? Coups in the context of the Cold War were common. They occurred often all over Africa, Latin America and the Middle East as post-colonial countries found their footing in the midst of jousting between giants. Army Generals took over everywhere. Besides Hafez Al Assad came to power in such a coup but you have no problem with that.

Coups happen before Cold War. You are making so many excuses why coups like these aren't Regime Change for another country. HAA did a coup but did it benefit another country? No just Syria. This is where you fail at.



Let’s say the CIA were involved…does that mean they were involved in every coup since ?

You act like everything was hunky dory in Syria. How about all the uprisings from 1976 to 1982 culminating in the Hama Massacre. Was that the CIA too?

By your logic, because the CIA overthrew Mossadegh of Iran in 1953 they must’ve also overthrew the Shah in 1979. See how fallacious that argument is?

Macmillan backed Syria assassination plot

Who does Coups and Regime change for the U.S.? You are making strawman arguments to fit a failed argument you lost pages ago.




What does this prove? Governments in exile or rebels tend to call themselves a variation on ‘’Free____’’ to imply that they're fighting for freedom.

Free French Forces (French: France Libre and Forces françaises libres) were the government-in-exile led by Charles de Gaulle during the Second World War and its military forces that continued to fight against the Axis powers as one of the Allies after the fall of France.

Free France - Wikipedia

Free Norwegian forces

The Norwegian armed forces in exile (Norwegian: Utefronten, "Forces Abroad") were remnants of the armed forces of Norway that continued to fight theAxis powers from Allied countries, such as Britain and Canada, after they had escaped the German conquest of Norway during World War II.


Free Belgian forces

The Free Belgian forces (French: Forces belges libres, Dutch: Vrije Belgische Strijdkrachten) were soldiers from Belgium and its colonies who fought as part of the Allied armies during World War II, after the official Belgian surrender to Nazi Germany.


Get the point? The laughable thing is you think setting up a ‘’Free ___ Committee’’ is a unique feature to Syria and indicative of a longterm plot. Let me get this straight Macmillan conspired to set up the FSA in 1956 but the West waited until 2011 to implement it?


None of what you said debunks or rebuttals what I posted. Spend time struggling to read the article nitpicking when the facts are proven. Muslim Brotherhood grew and fought the Syria Regime in the 70's but hey keep thinking it was 2011. Plus U.S. has funded many groups in Syria since 2006 but I know you didn't read anything posted.



Why the Arabs Don’t Want Us in Syria

Syria: Another Pipeline War




Breh what part do you want me to address? I’m not about to read a 31 page document. I don’t get paid to debunk conspiracy theories.

You don't get paid to read either because you are far too lazy to do the research. L's after L's in this post. You won't debunk truth in that 31 page document. This is why it's easy for you to dismiss it.



In 2012 it was foreseeable that hardline salafists would fill the vacuum left by the collapse of govt power in Sunni heartlands bordering Iraq

Yawn, it was seen earlier but I know you didn't read that either.


Breh the Arab Spring is not one big Western conspiracy. It was foreseeable to everyone paying attention to the situation. For example this is an article from the Guardian from 2008:

Arab Spring happened in the 1940's and 50's when Arab Nationalism was at the forefront. The Arab Spring you go off was a fake version/Regime Change Model. Nothing organic was placed in 2011.


U.S.-Financed Groups Had Supporting Role in Arab Uprisings

April 6 Youth Movement - Wikipedia


Egyptians welcome ElBaradei home

Mohamed ElBaradei - Wikipedia


Egypt: bread shortages, hunger and unrest

The economist newspaper to their credit had similar warnings for years. In other words, Stevie Wonder could see shyt was going to hit the fan. The right circumstances (food, unemployment, corruption) will always lead to popular revolt and this has been the case from Ancient Rome to the French Revolution to Egypt and Tunisia. Syria wasn’t any different. You had 24m ppl trying to eke out a living out of a tiny bit of agricultural land…something had to give.

The funny thing is you pop all triumphant with this shyt like you’re kicking knowledge. Ya shyt garbage.

You did a shytty job making your argument even when the evidence mounted over top of you constantly.

 

[Saka]

Seems like all sides have blood on their hands, and these hipsters on twitter only care about Aleppo when they're told to feign outrage over the actions of one side

BTW NO RT links since a lot of folks on here can only digest American propaganda.

1)Russia calls U.S. move to better arm Syrian rebels a 'hostile act'
2)Mass graves, booby traps found as Russians, Syrians sweep Aleppo
3)Erdogan says U.S.-led coalition gives support to terrorist groups in Syria


(also no one seems to care about yemen i wonder why? maybe because the media never talks about it?)

 

[FAH1223]

Seems like all sides have blood on their hands, and these hipsters on twitter only care about Aleppo when they're told to feign outrage over the actions of one side

BTW NO RT links since a lot of folks on here can only digest American propaganda.

1)Russia calls U.S. move to better arm Syrian rebels a 'hostile act'
2)Mass graves, booby traps found as Russians, Syrians sweep Aleppo
3)Erdogan says U.S.-led coalition gives support to terrorist groups in Syria


(also no one seems to care about yemen i wonder why? maybe because the media never talks about it?)

Yeah there's no good guys in the Syrian war.

As for Yemen... who's doing the bombing? Saudi. Using our tax payer dollars producing the bombs and planes they're using.

The Saudis also have done tons of lobbying in DC to brighten their image.

It's a travesty what's going on in Yemen. The population is being starved. Aden port is being blockaded by the Saudi navy. The humanitarian crisis is the worst in the world right now.

Also no one is talking about South Sudan. Or the Rohiynga atrocities in Burma.

 

[Saka]

Yeah there's no good guys in the Syrian war.

As for Yemen... who's doing the bombing? Saudi. Using our tax payer dollars producing the bombs and planes they're using.

The Saudis also have done tons of lobbying in DC to brighten their image.

It's a travesty what's going on in Yemen. The population is being starved. Aden port is being blockaded by the Saudi navy. The humanitarian crisis is the worst in the world right now.

Also no one is talking about South Sudan. Or the Rohiynga atrocities in Burma.

I'm just venting; i know these women in real life who spend all day rting kardashians and liking jenners but all of a sudden they're concerned about Aleppo

1) 99% of news out of Africa won't be reported unless it adds to the narrative on terrorism, Africas underdevelopment or the "Chinese are robbing Africa of its resources".
2) 75% of news out of south-east asia won't be reported unless it has to do with growing Chinese influence in the region (the rohingyas were briefly mentioned when some Buddhists got violent earlier this year)

As for Yemen, its the equivalent of Russias territory grab in Crimea, the Saudis get ports and eliminate Iranian influence.