Canadian province considering having gender neutral birth certificates

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

Exactly. You're cosigning the trans agenda. Don't say that this doesn't concern you when you're throwing your support behind people on one side of the issue. There are those of us who aren't willing to pretend that people can just pick and choose their agenda. Since you have no problem going along with the delusion that gender is a person's prerogative, then explain why. Explain why you support the trans agenda.

Why does this bother heterosexual-cisgender people? We should feel compassion for people with gender dysphoria (look it up)

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

Also, gender is a societal construct. Pre colonial African societies allowed people to switch genders to perform communal roles!

 

[Gravity]

Why does this bother heterosexual-cisgender people? We should feel compassion for people with gender dysphoria (look it up)

It bothers me because there's an obvious agenda to normalize fukkery that is detrimental to my community especially. The whole trans thing doesn't even make sense. On one hand these people are saying that gender is just a social construct, but on the other hand they directly contradict that by giving credence to the idea that some people are born in the "wrong body". If you can be born a male who feels like a girl/woman inside, then how is gender just a social construct?

You're not being compassionate either. True compassion would be getting these obviously mentally and emotionally ill people mental and emotional help. I honestly think that people like are just sheep who go with herd/flow because that's just how you're wired. You still haven't given a reason for why you support you probably don't even believe in.

 

[Ain't That Something]

One way to bypass this gender is a social construct bullshyt is to put the baby biological sex on the birth certificate. Less they start arguing that one's biological sex is a social construct

 

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David Reimer - Wikipedia

You cannot deny biology.
If you're born with a dikk, you're a male....even if you lack balls, pardon the pun, you cowards.

 

[Gravity]

Also, gender is a societal construct. Pre colonial African societies allowed people to switch genders to perform communal roles!

The fukk does that even mean? Did the men actually start self identifying as women and vice versa, or did people just switch "communal roles" depending on circumstance?

 

[Gonzo]

Gender and Sex are seperate, I don't have a problem with this. Good for them.

gen·der
ˈjendər/
noun

1. 1.
   the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones).

synonyms: sex

Foolish shallow argument. An argument of pure semantics and idiocy.

 

[broller]

It bothers me because there's an obvious agenda to normalize fukkery that is detrimental to my community especially. The whole trans thing doesn't even make sense. On one hand these people are saying that gender is just a social construct, but on the other hand they directly contradict that by giving credence to the idea that some people are born in the "wrong body". If you can be born a male who feels like a girl/woman inside, then how is gender just a social construct?

You're not being compassionate either. True compassion would be getting these obviously mentally and emotionally ill people mental and emotional help. I honestly think that people like are just sheep who go with herd/flow because that's just how you're wired. You still haven't given a reason for why you support you probably don't even believe in.

100% right

 

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[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

The fukk does that even mean? Did the men actually start self identifying as women and vice versa, or did people just switch "communal roles" depending on circumstance?

Yup! Men began to identify as women in certain societies

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

It bothers me because there's an obvious agenda to normalize fukkery that is detrimental to my community especially. The whole trans thing doesn't even make sense. On one hand these people are saying that gender is just a social construct, but on the other hand they directly contradict that by giving credence to the idea that some people are born in the "wrong body". If you can be born a male who feels like a girl/woman inside, then how is gender just a social construct?

You're not being compassionate either. True compassion would be getting these obviously mentally and emotionally ill people mental and emotional help. I honestly think that people like are just sheep who go with herd/flow because that's just how you're wired. You still haven't given a reason for why you support you probably don't even believe in.

Getting them help is actually allowing them to change gender. Their 'mental illness' is only harmful insofar as they can't change their gender (People commit suicide due to not being able to transition) Unlike say, schizophrenics who may develop violent delusions.

Gender transition isn't inherently harmful if it's consented to. You need to fully explain, though you lack a degree is psychiatry, why it's harmful to gender transition.

 

[PerrinN]

Will never understand why people care about this or why people think this is this big bad issue to the black community. There are far important issues that needs to be dealt with in the black community then caring about what gays and trans people do, If a man want to put on a wig and wear a dress and call himself a woman, then go ahead I don't care and no one else should. If they want me to call him Jill instead of Jack, I'd go with it

it just doesn't matter

 

[BocaRear]

Who told you that gender and sex are separate?

If you read into the distinctions yourself it's pretty clear.

Gender:
the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones).

Sex:
either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and most other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions.

It's very possible for a person to be one sex and identify with a different gender, this is because gender is pretty much shaped by culture.

When we're talking about gender we're usually referring to abstract things like masculinity and femininity which vary from culture to culture and have changed throughout history.

Sure, we probably hold our own notions of what it means to be a man and masculine, but that's largely as a result of nurture rather than nature.

If a woman chooses to identify as the 'male gender' it doesn't make that woman more or less right than a woman who identifies as the female gender.

It bothers me because there's an obvious agenda to normalize fukkery that is detrimental to my community especially. The whole trans thing doesn't even make sense. On one hand these people are saying that gender is just a social construct, but on the other hand they directly contradict that by giving credence to the idea that some people are born in the "wrong body". If you can be born a male who feels like a girl/woman inside, then how is gender just a social construct?

You're not being compassionate either. True compassion would be getting these obviously mentally and emotionally ill people mental and emotional help. I honestly think that people like are just sheep who go with herd/flow because that's just how you're wired. You still haven't given a reason for why you support you probably don't even believe in.

Just because its a social construct doesn't mean it doesn't have real world implications on how people perceive themselves.
Race is also a social construct yet it has very real implications in society.

That's why you have a lot of transgendered people.
They've been conditioned to believe that men and women are specifically X or Y.
Well then, if you have a society in which men are supposed to be X or and are supposed to be Y, you will almost certainly have people transgendered people.

How exactly is allowing people to identify as whichever gender they choose harmful to society?
I don't see you making any sort of convincing argument.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

It's very possible for a person to be one sex and identify with a different gender, this is because gender is pretty much shaped by culture.

Only if you completely disavow any and all distinctions between 'male' and 'female'......which will never happen unless we evolve into self-reproducing hermaphrodites.​

 

[Gravity]

Yup! Men began to identify as women in certain societies

I'm glad you qualified that. So what does this prove exactly? That because this trans shyt existed in other societies that we should accept it now? How long has female circumcision existed in Africa? Does that the acceptance of it in Africa mean that we should accept it now? This isn't an argument dude.

Getting them help is actually allowing them to change gender. Their 'mental illness' is only harmful insofar as they can't change their gender (People commit suicide due to not being able to transition) Unlike say, schizophrenics who may develop violent delusions.

Gender transition isn't inherently harmful if it's consented to. You need to fully explain, though you lack a degree is psychiatry, why it's harmful to gender transition.

Allowing them to pretend to be another gender isn't helping them you're just going along with their delusion. You're not helping Bruce Jenner by calling him Caitlin pretending that he's a woman. You're just going along with his bullshyt.

The harm is in the social engineering that has made people accept and even promote this to a certain degree. Individual people can do whatever they want and I don't advocate that being a transsexual should be illegal. However, the transgender shyt goes too far because it requires everybody to accept/acknowledge it. Being transgender is not just about you as an individual. Being transgender is only valid if others buy into it. I shouldn't have to pretend as if a male is a woman simply because he wants to be a woman. You may not have a problem compromising yourself in that way, but I do. I stand in truth.

If you read into the distinctions yourself it's pretty clear.

Gender:
the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones).

Sex:
either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and most other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions.

It's very possible for a person to be one sex and identify with a different gender, this is because gender is pretty much shaped by culture.

When we're talking about gender we're usually referring to abstract things like masculinity and femininity which vary from culture to culture and have changed throughout history.

Sure, we probably hold our own notions of what it means to be a man and masculine, but that's largely as a result of nurture rather than nature.

If a woman chooses to identify as the 'male gender' it doesn't make that woman more or less right than a woman who identifies as the female gender.



Just because its a social construct doesn't mean it doesn't have real world implications on how people perceive themselves.
Race is also a social construct yet it has very real implications in society.

That's why you have a lot of transgendered people.
They've been conditioned to believe that men and women are specifically X or Y.
Well then, if you have a society in which men are supposed to be X or and are supposed to be Y, you will almost certainly have people transgendered people.

How exactly is allowing people to identify as whichever gender they choose harmful to society?
I don't see you making any sort of convincing argument.

I asked you who taught you to believe this bullshyt. Your momma didn't raise you with the option of being a boy or a girl. You didn't start believing this bullshyt until someone put it in your head. Do you even know when that first happened?

I explain why it's harmful in the post above. It's social engineering. Sex/gender didn't become mutually exclusive in this society until the last 20-25 years.