Canadian province considering having gender neutral birth certificates

[BocaRear]

Only if you completely disavow any and all distinctions between 'male' and 'female'......which will never happen unless we evolve into self-reproducing hermaphrodites.​

I don't think you understand.
Gender = cultural/social
Sex = biological

Things like men not wearing skirts or not wearing make up are pretty much cultural. Look at these pictures:

"In the 18th century, men's wigs were powdered in order to give them their distinctive white or off-white color. Women in the 18th century did not wear wigs, but wore a coiffure supplemented by artificial hair or hair from other sources."

Male wigs were once considered masculine yet if a man wore this today they'd be flamed, it just shows how hard it is to define gender.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

I don't think you understand.
Gender = cultural/social
Sex = biological

No, I do understand which is why I stated that you'd have to disavow ANY AND ALL DISTINCTIONS between male and female.

YOU are focusing on the biological/external but I'm not.​

 

[Gravity]

Will never understand why people care about this or why people think this is this big bad issue to the black community. There are far important issues that needs to be dealt with in the black community then caring about what gays and trans people do, If a man want to put on a wig and wear a dress and call himself a woman, then go ahead I don't care and no one else should. If they want me to call him Jill instead of Jack, I'd go with it

it just doesn't matter

You should understand why people are opposed to this agenda because it's been clearly explained. You just don't want to acknowledge people's arguments. You're just being dismissive.

Again, just because you don have a problem compromising yourself to go along with people's delusions doesn't mean that everyone is like that. A man or woman can call themselves whatever they want, but that shouldn't mean that everyone else is forced to go along with it. That's the issue. Liberals in our society are trying to force people to go along with this.

 

[PerrinN]

You should understand why people are opposed to this agenda because it's been clearly explained. You just don't want to acknowledge people's arguments. You're just being dismissive.

Again, just because you don have a problem compromising yourself to go along with people's delusions doesn't mean that everyone is like that. A man or woman can call themselves whatever they want, but that shouldn't mean that everyone else is forced to go along with it. That's the issue. Liberals in our society are trying to force people to go along with this.

I'm compromising myself because I don't care of a trans person want me to call them what they want? Yeah, again I just don't care...and I don't see why anyone else should. Society change, things move on...and to me society has been moving in a right direction more so than wrong. I don't know what conspiracy theories you guys believe but again....it...does...not...matter

Stop fussing over nothing, jesus christ.

 

[Luken]

battymon culture.

 

[Roberto Firmino]

The whole trans thing doesn't even make sense. On one hand these people are saying that gender is just a social construct, but on the other hand they directly contradict that by giving credence to the idea that some people are born in the "wrong body". If you can be born a male who feels like a girl/woman inside, then how is gender just a social construct?

Not that I really care, people can do what they want as long as I'm left alone but can't disagree with this

 

[Gravity]

I'm compromising myself because I don't care of a trans person want me to call them what they want? Yeah, again I just don't care...and I don't see why anyone else should. Society change, things move on...and to me society has been moving in a right direction more so than wrong. I don't know what conspiracy theories you guys believe but again....it...does...not...matter

Stop fussing over nothing, jesus christ.

You should stop saying "I don't care" because you clearly do care. You even admit that you agree with the direction that society is going. So you support the transgender agenda you're not indifferent to it. You need to stop being a coward and just own up to your feelings.

You agree that people can be whatever they want to be and I don't. I believe that you are what you are and society forcing people to accept other people's delusions is a bad thing. Liberals whine about trump and his disregard for the truth but you all are just as dishonest and delusional as trump and his supporters are. at crying about "alternative facts" while you tell the world with a straight face that Bruce Jenner is a woman now.

When you put other people's emotion above the truth you're compromising yourself. Get some gotdamn integrity.

 

[Gravity]

I don't think you understand.
Gender = cultural/social
Sex = biological

Things like men not wearing skirts or not wearing make up are pretty much cultural. Look at these pictures:

"In the 18th century, men's wigs were powdered in order to give them their distinctive white or off-white color. Women in the 18th century did not wear wigs, but wore a coiffure supplemented by artificial hair or hair from other sources."

Male wigs were once considered masculine yet if a man wore this today they'd be flamed, it just shows how hard it is to define gender.

You're confusing yourself. This isn't about fashion this about gender. The men in those pics didn't wear wigs in attempts to pass themselves off as women. You're trying to argue folk down and you're not even sharp enough to keep up with the discussion. This is about a country basically erasing gender lines between men and women.

The funny/sad thing about all of this we are acting like we're not privileged to history and where this goes. Cats won't get the picture until western society is on some Caligula shyt.

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

You're confusing yourself. This isn't about fashion this about gender. The men in those pics didn't wear wigs in attempts to pass themselves off as women. You're trying to argue folk down and you're not even sharp enough to keep up with the discussion. This is about a country basically erasing gender lines between men and women.

The funny/sad thing about all of this we are acting like we're not privileged to history and where this goes. Cats won't get the picture until western society is on some Caligula shyt.

As is fashion doesn't conform to gender norms

See - faux outrage over male romper

 

[Gravity]

As is fashion doesn't conform to gender norms

See - faux outrage over male romper

Shut your fakkit ass up.

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

I'm glad you qualified that. So what does this prove exactly? That because this trans shyt existed in other societies that we should accept it now? How long has female circumcision existed in Africa? Does that the acceptance of it in Africa mean that we should accept it now? This isn't an argument dude.
Allowing them to pretend to be another gender isn't helping them you're just going along with their delusion. You're not helping Bruce Jenner by calling him Caitlin pretending that he's a woman. You're just going along with his bullshyt.

The harm is in the social engineering that has made people accept and even promote this to a certain degree. Individual people can do whatever they want and I don't advocate that being a transsexual should be illegal. However, the transgender shyt goes too far because it requires everybody to accept/acknowledge it. Being transgender is not just about you as an individual. Being transgender is only valid if others buy into it. I shouldn't have to pretend as if a male is a woman simply because he wants to be a woman. You may not have a problem compromising yourself in that way, but I do. I stand in truth.

I asked you who taught you to believe this bullshyt. Your momma didn't raise you with the option of being a boy or a girl. You didn't start believing this bullshyt until someone put it in your head. Do you even know when that first happened?

I explain why it's harmful in the post above. It's social engineering. Sex/gender didn't become mutually exclusive in this society until the last 20-25 years.

- You tried to prove that gender is an immutable characteristic. I have shown you that it is not. Which you agree with given your pivoting to a non-relevant example of female circumcision

- If you don't believe transgenderism is harmful, then why do you oppose it? How is it a delusion if science has provided support for gender dysphoria being rooted in biological conditioning? Similar to being born intersex (look this up, my friend)
- Your right. I wasn't given an option. Fortunately, my mental disposition matches with both my sex and gender. Others aren't as fortunate. We help them by not forcing them to become even more ill (to the point of suicide) since they feel trapped in the wrong body.

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

Shut your fakkit ass up.

Did you buy a romper? Have I offended your sensibility?

 

[BocaRear]

You're confusing yourself. This isn't about fashion this about gender. The men in those pics didn't wear wigs in attempts to pass themselves off as women. You're trying to argue folk down and you're not even sharp enough to keep up with the discussion. This is about a country basically erasing gender lines between men and women.

The funny/sad thing about all of this we are acting like we're not privileged to history and where this goes. Cats won't get the picture until western society is on some Caligula shyt.

You're relying purely on emotion to construct a point and yet have the nerve to suggest that I'm not sharp enough. Leave your emotions at the door, you're a grown man, this isn't very masculine of you.

I'm going to break this down again:
Gender, as we refer to it, is cultural, Sex is biological. (but even then we could get into how sex isn't necessarily binary either, but I don't wish to confuse you further)

Okay, so those men in wigs wore wigs because it was perceived as masculine at the time period, Yes? They weren't trying to be women, that is correct.

And that's exactly the point that I'm making. What is considered Masculine and Feminine is subject to change and that's objectively true. Gender is essentially how people observe things such as masculinity and femininity.

Okay, so now that we've established that gender is largely subjective, well then wouldn't it make sense that some people may identify as different genders than their biological sex?

 

[Gold]

Sure do w/e ya'll want.
Just make sure you DNA test the baby before you put a man's name on it.
Thats all I really care about

 

[PerrinN]

You should stop saying "I don't care" because you clearly do care. You even admit that you agree with the direction that society is going. So you support the transgender agenda you're not indifferent to it. You need to stop being a coward and just own up to your feelings.

You agree that people can be whatever they want to be and I don't. I believe that you are what you are and society forcing people to accept other people's delusions is a bad thing. Liberals whine about trump and his disregard for the truth but you all are just as dishonest and delusional as trump and his supporters are. at crying about "alternative facts" while you tell the world with a straight face that Bruce Jenner is a woman now.

When you put other people's emotion above the truth you're compromising yourself. Get some gotdamn integrity.

That's nice...still don't care