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In that sense, if thats how you want to define elite, than fine. That's a matter of subjectivity. If you think the top 15 players are elite, that that's fine.

I think elite players can be three guys or eight guys, but it's about the production. Right now, only six guys put up elite offensive numbers across the board (Bron, Durant, Wade, Dwight, Love, Paul), and that's taking into account efficiency and oevrall production. I'm talking about 24 plus PER guys who are really efficient, because that's what I value most in basketball.

Ok so we discount melo whole career to say love is better ? The guy can't get into the playoffs like melo did his whole career and plays no d but yup better than melo . So we still throwing wade up in the top 5 hmm guess he didn't miss all those games .
 

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Our team is better now than before the team we traded. We werent even really gutted billups got hurt twice and we replaced those players so it's less than half of a year. You can use any criteria you want but the hof and nba analysts who actually played ball say he is

However his play and that of his teams say differently. This isn't like music or movies where opinions matter. This is sports where we have ways to objectively measure things and point blank dude just has not measured up to franchise player type standards. You telling me that the team before Melo got there couldn't have gotten a 6/7 seed and gone 1-8 in back to back playoffs. Once again potential and what could have or can happen is irrelevant. We are dealing with what has actually happened.
 

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What about his post game? Melo can score in anyway So can kobe . Durant can't even post up battier :usure: being young and athletic and tall as a pf doesn't have anything to do with being a better scorer. Look Barkley even said melo is better and he hates the Knicks not to mention melo is stronger and can actually play the 4
Im not understanding the logic. So even though KD is superior statically (ppg, Fta, fg%), actually has scoring titles to his name.... because his post game isn't as good, Melo is the better scorer? KD can't muscle dudes down low like Melo, ok but Melo can't get a rebound and go coast to coast like Durant. Why does melo's post game give him the edge?

sidenote, Ya'll nikkas do know that historically, Lebron is gonna be ranked way ahead of Melo as scorer. Bron actually has a scoring title. Wade does too. 10-15yrs from now when people think of the best scorers of this era, unless something dramatically changes, Melo's gonna be behind a couple of dudes.
 

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he dont play hard all the time.if melo play like he can all the time be would be the 4th best player in the nba.he take to many games off

He plays offense hard all the time his d is lacking but on the nugget teams his role was like Durant to score . Durant d is just as bad as melo , actually worse . The man was guarding chalmers :comeon: melo says he's trying harder on d and that means he wasn't playing d? His about Woodson made it more of a emphasis than dantoni . Not to mention a injured knicks won the same amount of games as a healthy thunder vs a injured heat team .
This is just like pierce I never heard all this winner talk till he won and joined the big 3, him and walkers were just shot chuckErs before . Guess melo needs his ring to silence you haters
 

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However his play and that of his teams say differently. This isn't like music or movies where opinions matter. This is sports where we have ways to objectively measure things and point blank dude just has not measured up to franchise player type standards. You telling me that the team before Melo got there couldn't have gotten a 6/7 seed and gone 1-8 in back to back playoffs. Once again potential and what could have or can happen is irrelevant. We are dealing with what has actually happened.

So when melo goes in the hof what you going to say ????
 

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Im not understanding the logic. So even though KD is superior statically (ppg, Fta, fg%), actually has scoring titles to his name.... because his post game isn't as good, Melo is the better scorer? KD can't muscle dudes down low like Melo, ok but Melo can't get a rebound and go coast to coast like Durant. Why does melo's post game give him the edge?

sidenote, Ya'll nikkas do know that historically, Lebron is gonna be ranked way ahead of Melo as scorer. Bron actually has a scoring title. Wade does too. 10-15yrs from now when people think of the best scorers of this era, unless something dramatically changes, Melo's gonna be behind a couple of dudes.

wade scoring title when??:comeon:
 

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He plays offense hard all the time his d is lacking but on the nugget teams his role was like Durant to score . Durant d is just as bad as melo , actually worse . The man was guarding chalmers :comeon: melo says he's trying harder on d and that means he wasn't playing d? His about Woodson made it more of a emphasis than dantoni . Not to mention a injured knicks won the same amount of games as a healthy thunder vs a injured heat team .
This is just like pierce I never heard all this winner talk till he won and joined the big 3, him and walkers were just shot chuckErs before . Guess melo needs his ring to silence you haters

melo will never get a title:wow:
 

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Im not understanding the logic. So even though KD is superior statically (ppg, Fta, fg%), actually has scoring titles to his name.... because his post game isn't as good, Melo is the better scorer? KD can't muscle dudes down low like Melo, ok but Melo can't get a rebound and go coast to coast like Durant. Why does melo's post game give him the edge?

sidenote, Ya'll nikkas do know that historically, Lebron is gonna be ranked way ahead of Melo as scorer. Bron actually has a scoring title. Wade does too. 10-15yrs from now when people think of the best scorers of this era, unless something dramatically changes, Melo's gonna be behind a couple of dudes.

Melo cant go caost to coast he can do this shyt but not coast to coast :why:



 
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So when melo goes in the hof what you going to say ????

If he continues to be a one-dimensional black hole chucker whose output doesn't match his talent and that doesn't make his teams better then I will continue to say that after he goes into the hall. If something changes then what I have to say about him will change based upon that. There are plenty of players in the HOF that were one-dimensional or that weren't franchise guys so I'm not sure why you keep bringing that up. Basketball HOF standards are the most lax among the 3 major sports. It's not even limited to pro basketball.

BTW you didnt' answer my question. You think that the team before Melo couldnt' have managed 6/7 seeds and a 1-8 record in the playoffs?
 

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If he continues to be a one-dimensional black hole chucker whose output doesn't match his talent and that doesn't make his teams better then I will continue to say that after he goes into the hall. If something changes then what I have to say about him will change based upon that. There are plenty of players in the HOF that were one-dimensional or that weren't franchise guys so I'm not sure why you keep bringing that up. Basketball HOF standards are the most lax among the 3 major sports. It's not even limited to pro basketball.

BTW you didnt' answer my question. You think that the team before Melo couldnt' have managed 6/7 seeds and a 1-8 record in the playoffs?


I'm gonna answer it billups and stat were injured last year, so off top no felton and stat....you tell me where the pre melo knicks are getting with out stat and felton

against miami they lost two point gards and the 2 guard and the pf for at least two game.

You gotta take injuries in consideration
 

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The Carmelo discussion continues to be centered around his skills and what he can do.

Production is what matters most.
 

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The Carmelo discussion continues to be centered around his skills and what he can do.

Production is what matters most.

Of course it matters, and some of his is fault and some is not, dude has played against the toughest squads of the last decade, and most of those playoffs series he had no help, minus the two years of ai when the faced the lakers and spurs
 
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